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Thread: illegal knockoffs sold in Walmart?! (Alleged - Not Proved)

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    Since the design is so similar could it be from the first printing of the fabric? I know fabric manufacturers will print test runs on cheaper griege goods before doing the final printing on the "good" stuff. Maybe the designer needs to contact her manufacturer before making accusations that could land her in hot water. :-D

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    I was also a Walmart fabric buyer as it was the only fabric seller in town.
    Makes me wonder how it works in reverse? I've seen $10 yd fabrics in LQSs that I wouldn't buy for $2 yd.As far as that goes, have seen lines by so called big name designers that was junk.You just never know till you look & feel the fabric.



    "Her tirade does make quilters who use Walmart fabric look pretty pathetic though. Birdcage lining, indeed. I rarely use Walmart fabric (unless I am making a bag or pillowcase), but when I first started quilting I did... because I didn't know better and because I couldn't afford better."

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    I don't believe that Walmart is the culprit. It's the manufacturer, in my opinion that is to blame.
    Like someone already said...How is Walmart to know it's a "stolen" design? It should be up to the company selling the fabric, meaning the BIG company (Moda, Cranston, Northcott, etc) to be the ones to get the flack of selling the knockoffs and not Walmart or any other store.

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    I bet Walmart knows its not buying "hot" stolen televisions and iPods. It's their responsibility as a corporation to follow the rules of business.

    I'm sure heads will roll and the manufacturer will lose Walmart as a customer. That'll teach them for stealing. Until then, let's hope Walmart does the right thing and takes this stuff off the shelves.

    Now let's go buy a $5 Gucci bag at the flea market! LOL! I'm kidding, that's wrong too. At least the manufacturer didn't put Tula Pink's name on the selvage.

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    Anyone remember a similar thing happened a while ago, I can't remember who and the exact wheres of it....the designer sued and the fabric was taken off the shelves and donated to make quilts for a homeless shelter. The designer was awarded damages.

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    I agree.
    Quote Originally Posted by mzsooz
    Quote Originally Posted by debbieumphress
    I read that. I just heard last week from Moda rep that they sell to walmart too but under names like Cranston. I was surprised too. ALso Quilting treasures sells them fabrisc under a psedonym. That would explain the mix up. I would like to see how this ends.
    Just like with appliances and other things. Sears kenmore appliances used to be whirlpool, kenmore sewing machines were singers, etc. (might be different manufacturers now...not sure) And there are generic foods and medicines. Manufacturers supply the brand name products as well as the generic or specific store brands.

    We used to sell carpeting in my mom's drapery store. There were 2 grades available. Looked identical but the quality was much different and of course the price. They try to make something available in many price ranges. Sadly when we bought the carpet for our house now the store showed me the high quality and installed the lower quality. I raised a stink but got nowhere with them. But, I do tell everyone I know how they screwed us! That'll teach em ;)

    I get tired of Walmart being blamed for all the world's woes.

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    If this really did happen-and I have my doubts- this person should be dicussing it with her lawyer, NOT on a message board.

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    There is a difference in thread count in fabrics that look the same. I am lucky we have a fabric warehouse about one hour away with bolt after bolt of different wonderful fabric

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    I think the designer is justified in discussing it on her blog. I've not seen that line in Walmart, but if I did, I would want to know that it's not her authorized work, as I would not want to support illegal copies.

    I'm interested to see how it plays out. I can't see Moda being the supplier on that knock off fabric, but if they are, I'd like to hear the story on that.

    I don't pay more than I have to for fabric, but I do like to support manufacturers and stores that offer good quality and legal materials, and the more information I have to help me do that, the better.

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    I don't think it's appropriate to speculate on who is to blame - Walmart, the manufacturer, China, or Tula Pink, when we obviously don't know even a fraction of the story.

    I don't have a problem with Tula Pink using her blog to sound off - it's her forum to discuss her designing, and I don't see that she made any unfounded accusations, particularly as she has pictures of the fabric in question.

    As for her opinions on Walmart, I understand buying the best you can afford, but I don't see it as a problem that she has a poor opinion of Walmart fabric. I also have a horrible opinion of it in general, and have always had a hard time finding a quality product there.

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    According to the designer's blog there is nothing printed on the selvage. I've seen a lot of blank selvage on fabric at Walmmart and the bolt usually has Clothworks as the brand. It is a fabric line I will not use in a quilt but if the colors are pretty I'll buy it for potholders, etc.

    I get a kick out of people saying they Do Not shop at Walmart like it's a sign of I'm so above that. I have some very wealthy friends who buy their designer $1400 purses and $800 shoes at boutiques but they buy their toliet paper at Walmart . :lol: :lol:

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    I don't think that Walmart is interested in going into the fabric business. Therefore I don't think they realize the fabric that they are getting is a knock off, if this is really happening.
    I have not seen any of her line in my Walmart. We have mostly Cranston fabric.
    I agree with bakermom. If she is being infringed she should be consulting her lawyer
    I would like to see what happens with this

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    If it is a knock off, could it be Tula's patent may have ran out. Alot of things associated with name brands such as some of the tools my husband uses are knock offs from Craftsman and Bosch etc.

    Either way, we shall see how this all plays out. I know alot of people hate Wal Mart, and like to find any little thing to bad mouth their name.

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    The bottom line is, if we keep buying them (carpeting, appliances, fabric imitations), they will keep producing them. Caveat emptor: buyer beware.

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    That's a pretty new line, and I am pretty sure that Tula herself would know good and well if she'd given up rights to it.

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    Tula's patent did not run out. This is her actual blog, her actual reaction and what she plans to do about it: http://tulapink.com/2010/09/19/outraged/

    I'm sure the professionals will get to the bottom of the copyright infringement. In the meantime, it would be a nice gesture not to buy any of the fabric if you do see it. One day you might have a fabric line and I know you'd want us behind you if someone stole your intellectual property. And we'd be there with bells on! :wink:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chele
    Tula's patent did not run out. This is her actual blog, her actual reaction and what she plans to do about it: http://tulapink.com/2010/09/19/outraged/

    I'm sure the professionals will get to the bottom of the copyright infringement. In the meantime, it would be a nice gesture not to buy any of the fabric if you do see it. One day you might have a fabric line and I know you'd want us behind you if someone stole your intellectual property. And we'd be there with bells on! :wink:
    I understand about her reaction. But to start blaming a nationwide chain right off the bat is silly. The blame lies in the manufacturer who allegedly stole her pattern or patterns. Like someone said here earlier Wal mart and even major places like Sears, Khol's, Penny's etc. can't to a search on every item they sell as to where it's origin is at. All they can do is either stop selling the item or sell what is in stock and not use that particular manufacturer.


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    I did read her reaction, violence is implied. I don't think the Mafia goes after little Chinese knock off artists.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AnnaK
    The bottom line is, if we keep buying them (carpeting, appliances, fabric imitations), they will keep producing them. Caveat emptor: buyer beware.
    Not everyone can afford the real deal. So an imitation has to do.
    Just be careful in what you buy.

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    I lost a lot of respect for this designer by instantly blaming Walmart for her copyright infringement. She is upset as anyone would be in this situation but to kill the messenger attitude with no facts to back up her accusations is not professional. I hope she gets her day in court and the facts are known either good or bad about this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by debbieumphress
    I read that. I just heard last week from Moda rep that they sell to walmart too but under names like Cranston. I was surprised too. ALso Quilting treasures sells them fabrisc under a psedonym. That would explain the mix up. I would like to see how this ends.
    I don't think this can possibly be attributed to Moda - WHY would a major corp like Moda hijack their OWN designers patterns - to sell at chain stores ??? makes NO sense
    One of the comments to Tula's site said these copycat fabrics have NOTHING on the print register/ selvages - they were all BLANK - so that points to the knockoff fabrics printed in India, Asia or China. They are the real offenders and continually copy/ alter popular fabric & textile designs. Wal Mart apparently bought from these vendors without checking :roll:

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    Wal-mart has hundreds of buyers. These buyers make most of their buying decisions based on cost and expected profit margin, and they exert tremendous pressure on sellers to hold down manufacturing costs. They don't care about quality as much as they do about cost.

    When a seller comes to WM with a product that they're pitching, a WM buying committee judges demand and potential profit margin on the product. They might, and often do, send the seller back to the drawing boards to see if they can produce it at lower cost.

    Usually this means that sellers either improve their manufacturing processes or have the goods manufactured in a cheaper facility someplace. Often it means that the seller finds ways to use cheaper, lower quality base goods in the manufacture of their product.

    Once in awhile, sellers just say NO to WM's pricing pressure, and decide not to sell to WM because it would mean lowering the quality, and therefore the brand value, of their goods too much. This is why you sometimes see really good products appear on WM shelves, then after a short time disappear.

    In this case, do I think WM bought and sold knockoff goods?

    Yes. The evidence here is pretty convincing. I don't think that the designer would make this claim publicly without checking with Moda first. If Moda sold seconds or mis-prints to WM, then it's on their heads, but I really think that these are knockoffs made by some third party.

    Do I think WM did it intentionally?

    No. I don't think they're that stupid, but no one says a company with ethics standards can't, and occasionally do, employ unethical buyers.

    Do I think the WM fabric buyer had a responsibility to perform due diligence to see if the fabric was indeed a cheap knockoff?

    Yes, and I think that if this get escalated far enough, the buyer responsible will probably "pay" in some way for this mistake, or, if there was no due diligence policy, one will be created.

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    Any idea how that "due diligence" is performed?

    Would the buyer have to peruse all the new fabrics by all the major players, just to see if they recognize it? Where could they see it? Online at the manufacturers' websites?

    That won't be sufficient, if it's a design that's still in the strike-off phase as, at that point, it wouldn't even be visible "out there".

    It's a hard issue, for sure! BTW I'm bringing this post to Moda's attention, in case they'd like to speak for themselves about it.

    And... I wonder what *does* happen to those preliminary strikeoffs? Does anybody know? Do they get "destroyed", or sold as pound goods, or recycled, or... do they wind up for sale as "no-name" fabrics somewhere?

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    Cranston was just used as an example earlier in this thread. There is no brand name on the fabrics, according to her comment in reply to another comment on her blog. Cranston was not mentioned on the blog at all-someone here in this thread just used it as an example of a company that sells a different line to different types of stores.

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    I've been concerned that sometimes on this board we border on libel. I also wondered because there is a crazy person out there that thinks he found a fossil of a dragon and has threatened my husband on more than one occasion and published on the internet (DH says they are just rocks). So I looked up libel to see if this qualifies.

    It looks like as long as we are stating our "opinions" not presenting as facts, that we are okay.

    Here is a link if you are interested: http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-libel.htm

    I was taught that if you can't say anything nice about someone then don't say anything at all.

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    I've used WalMart material and have been satisfied. You just have to look it over good like you should do whereever you buy fabric.

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