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Will the Real 15 clone please stand up

Old 05-22-2019, 03:40 PM
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I cant Find any information on this machine, can anyone help.

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Old 05-22-2019, 04:51 PM
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Newer Chinese clone. Plastic parts. Same manual as the Japanese clones. The japanese ones don’t have the plastic feed drop knob on the base of the machine.
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Old 05-22-2019, 04:54 PM
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Love your Organ machine! Too bad about those gouges in the finish. The decals are unlike any I have seen (though admittedly I am no expert). Your machine appears to be a classic 15 "clone." I think I see some Oriental characters near the bottom of the badge on the pillar. Most any 15 manual will give you what you need to know.
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Old 05-22-2019, 05:39 PM
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I read 5 pages and will finish another night. I honestly don’t know what a “clone” machine is ! I thought it would be clear to me after 5 pages but it isn’t. Please enlighten me.
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Tranum, the clones were made in Japan after WWII. The singer patents had run out. This was an effort to reboot the Japanese economy. I have a clone made in occupied japan. It is a piece of junk but it looks just like an older singer 15. I donít know if it was poorly made or poorly adjusted at the factory or what. Later they improved on the designs. Many different companies in Japan made the clones. They have different JA numbers on the bottom somewhere. Some have names stamped in the bottom. You might be able to do a google search and find info on the J A numbers. Clones are still being made in China and maybe India and other places. The Ďnewerí clones usually have wilder paint jobs and there may be plastic parts. The most telling is the knob to drop the feed dogs. Some clones have a bit different shape than the Singers they were copied after but the tension is always on the side and they use class 15 bobbins in a case and on the side. They do not have drop in bobbins. There are many other Japanese machines and they are often well made. But there are some that are really junk. Cari who was banned for some reason knows a lot about the Japanese machines. I think you might find more info on google.

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Old 05-22-2019, 10:45 PM
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Thank you Wesing Iím trying to find the top pressure assembly and how to set it itís only missing the check spring but it works nicely.
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Old 05-23-2019, 02:37 AM
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Foot pressure gets set so you can just pull a piece of fabric out.
You do need a check spring. Those are available on line but there are two kinds depending on which tension unit you have. The clones with the bar need a long spring. The ones more compact and no bar need a short spring.
I made a thread here called taming the 15 tension.

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Old 05-23-2019, 06:52 AM
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Originally Posted by miriam View Post
Newer Chinese clone. Plastic parts. Same manual as the Japanese clones. The japanese ones donít have the plastic feed drop knob on the base of the machine.
I'm confused, both lonestardreams and Santiago machines sure look like clones to me. Santiago's Organ machine would be Japanese as the trademark is the same as the Organ needles which are Japanese. Granted the stitch length regulator is different, but the rest of it sure looks like a 15 clone. As well as the tension assembly. The feed dog drop looks metal to me.

Santiago, I can't tell from the pictures as to what you are referring to as "top pressure assembly." The pressure regulator screws in and out to adjust the pressure, unless it was to have a "quick release" type.

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I Iím sorry it just needs the thread tension check spring but I donít have any reference to how it goes.
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Old 05-23-2019, 09:08 AM
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And yes Ourworkbench, all parts on my Organ machine are metal. I havenít seen another Organ machine for reference, so I donít know if the hook on the spring goes up or down. I was also confused because it came in a Brothers wooden case.

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