Go Back  Quiltingboard Forums >
  • Main
  • "Sharing patterns" - i'm in a quandry! >
  • "Sharing patterns" - i'm in a quandry!

  • "Sharing patterns" - i'm in a quandry!

    Thread Tools
     
    Old 03-15-2011, 06:30 PM
      #121  
    Super Member
     
    BrendaB's Avatar
     
    Join Date: Jan 2010
    Location: Muscatine, Iowa by way of West Virginia, Washington State, and Montana
    Posts: 1,130
    Default

    Originally Posted by gaigai
    Originally Posted by coffeegirl
    I have a good quilting friend and recently we went shopping and I purchased a pattern. It was a $12 pattern with lots of embroidery in it and we both loved it. She works at a quilt shop where there is a large light table and said when it came time to trace my pattern I could come in and use it. When I was there yesterday she asked if I brought the pattern so "we" could start tracing it. It seems she assumed that I would share the pattern with her. I think that if she wants to make her own, she should have have purchased one herself. Am I being selfish? The designer of the pattern deserves her cut too! I am concerned about offending my friend. I know people do this all the time, but it doesn't sit right with me.
    Then tell her that you are very sorry, but you can't share the pattern because it would be unfair to the designer and a violation of copyright law. And tell her that you would like to "support" that designer by having as many people as possible buy their own pattern. In other words, "Just say NO".

    Well said - I agree.
    BrendaB is offline  
    Old 03-15-2011, 07:08 PM
      #122  
    Member
     
    Join Date: Jun 2010
    Posts: 52
    Default

    That's a good way to loose you're "friends". Sometimes for t he best. My "friend" saw a beaded suncatcher on my wall one day, and of course she wanted the pattern. "Oh, I can sell that for X$$-so can I. Annoyed me for 2 yrs.
    she still hasn't gotten it. Glad she finally moved to Idaho. So beware and ask her to get her own next time--politely of couse.
    fontmomma is offline  
    Old 03-16-2011, 11:12 AM
      #123  
    Super Member
     
    misseva's Avatar
     
    Join Date: Jul 2010
    Location: East Arkansas
    Posts: 2,534
    Default

    do i understand this correctly? it's an embroidery pattern (from a book or a sheet) not a hot transfer pattern and the only way you can use it is to put fabric over the picture and trace it. i'd let her borrow it in a new york minute. i just wouldn't want her to xerox a copy of it. in fact i'd probably give it to her after i made mine because i've only reused an embroidery pattern two times & that was an ABC Baby quilt for my grandchildren. otherwise after i've used an embroidery pattern one time - i'm done. i'd probably take exception if i had a friend who ALWAYS wanted my patterns instead of buying them herself but i guess that would just be tacky because when i'm done with 'em i'm done. they don't do anybody any good just lying around my sewing room taking up space.
    misseva is offline  
    Old 03-20-2011, 01:50 PM
      #124  
    Senior Member
     
    Join Date: Jul 2010
    Location: Lorain,oh
    Posts: 642
    Default

    If she "works in a quilt shop" w/a light table,---couldn't the shop get into trouble, if multiple tracings were being made from 1 pattern? couldn't that open them up to copyright infringement fines?? just curious
    quilt crazee is offline  
    Old 03-22-2011, 10:26 AM
      #125  
    Junior Member
     
    lupee60's Avatar
     
    Join Date: Feb 2010
    Location: texas
    Posts: 117
    Default

    interesting
    lupee60 is offline  
    Old 04-03-2011, 09:07 PM
      #126  
    Junior Member
     
    Join Date: Aug 2010
    Posts: 116
    Default

    OK, so how does this sit with you all, here in Australia patterns (& fabric & everything to do with quilting) are so expensive that if my sister and I like the same pattern we share the cost and share the pattern. We are usually making quilts etc. for family and as long as we acknowledge on the label who the designer is, ( so that when someone goes "oooh isn't that luverly" we can tell them where to get it). Isn't that better than neither of us buying the pattern. Sorry I'm a bit late replying, trying to catch up quick as after being away then sick, only up to March 14th and doing quick look, don't want to miss anything on the board, Jen
    NannaJen is offline  
    Old 04-03-2011, 09:23 PM
      #127  
    Senior Member
     
    yonnikka's Avatar
     
    Join Date: Oct 2010
    Location: Southern Michigan
    Posts: 732
    Default

    I'm going to take literally what you said in your first sentence "I have a good friend..."
    You are asking for advice because you want to keep her as your good friend, and you want to be a good friend to her.
    However, you are caught in a sticky corner. There is an honorable way out of this. Is your friend worth $12?
    Simply buy a second pattern, wrap in in giftwrap and present it to her as as gift. Later, after she has begun to use it and is happy with the pattern, happy with you as a friend, only then in different circumstances, are you on solid ground to give her your thoughts about copyright. Having a good friend to quilt and shop with is worth hundreds of times more than $12. The true meaning of the word "wisdom" is living through love.
    yonnikka is offline  
    Old 04-03-2011, 10:02 PM
      #128  
    Super Member
     
    Join Date: Dec 2010
    Location: Dupont, WA
    Posts: 1,063
    Default

    Originally Posted by ghostrider
    It is perfectly legal to loan a pattern, sell a pattern, or give a pattern to anyone you choose...if it is the original pattern.

    What is not legal is to reproduce a pattern (i.e., make another copy of it) and then loan-sell-give that copy to someone (or for you to keep the copy and loan-sell-give the original away). You can, of course, make templates for your own use. You just can't turn one pattern into two.

    Just tell the friend that you will loan her the pattern when you are done with it. Simple really, and perfectly legit.
    This post sums it up. You hit the nail on the head!!! I posed this question to the legal section here where I work and one of the lawyers said exactly what ghostrider is saying. The one pattern could passed on as long as it is not copied, sold and/or redistributed. Also, you can not use one pattern to teach a whole class. Each student must get their own original pattern to take to class. Not a copy but an original. Regardless of how many times a pattern is sold after the original sale the person that created the pattern only gets paid once. Same with textbooks.
    Sienna's GiGi is offline  
    Old 04-03-2011, 10:27 PM
      #129  
    Super Member
     
    Join Date: Dec 2010
    Posts: 1,143
    Default

    Friends share things.
    blossom808 is offline  
    Old 04-04-2011, 02:56 AM
      #130  
    Super Member
     
    ghostrider's Avatar
     
    Join Date: Jan 2009
    Posts: 4,688
    Default

    Originally Posted by NannaJen
    OK, so how does this sit with you all, here in Australia patterns (& fabric & everything to do with quilting) are so expensive that if my sister and I like the same pattern we share the cost and share the pattern. We are usually making quilts etc. for family and as long as we acknowledge on the label who the designer is, ( so that when someone goes "oooh isn't that luverly" we can tell them where to get it). Isn't that better than neither of us buying the pattern. Sorry I'm a bit late replying, trying to catch up quick as after being away then sick, only up to March 14th and doing quick look, don't want to miss anything on the board, Jen
    As long as you are not making a duplicate copy of the pattern so that you can each have it at the same time, you are doing nothing wrong. You can pass it back and forth all you like without any infringement of the copyright. It's admirable that you also put attribution on the quilt label.
    ghostrider is offline  
    Related Topics
    Thread
    Thread Starter
    Forum
    Replies
    Last Post
    quilter2theend
    Main
    5
    04-25-2011 05:06 AM
    DogHouseMom
    General Chit-Chat (non-quilting talk)
    10
    04-06-2011 02:49 PM
    cuppi duke
    Pictures
    37
    02-23-2010 10:00 AM
    mrsj82
    Main
    6
    09-26-2008 01:09 PM

    Posting Rules
    You may not post new threads
    You may not post replies
    You may not post attachments
    You may not edit your posts

    BB code is On
    Smilies are On
    [IMG] code is On
    HTML code is On
    Trackbacks are Off
    Pingbacks are Off
    Refbacks are Off



    FREE Quilting Newsletter