klswift

The only time you could get in trouble (and I really doubt even then) is if you mass produced something and sold it in quantity. But, morally, it would be nice to print up a 5 x 7 sign saying pattern designed by _____ and original color ideas from store_____. This allows you to credit the person and perhaps lets another quilter start a new project. The exception to this is when you use licensed items. Example would be using disney images on quilts, totes or apparel items for sale. Disney is very diligent about attending large fairs and swap meets looking for their product. But, to make something that is raising money for a church or raffling for a charity is not something they would pursue.

Bree123

Respectfully, unless something has changed, I used to work for Disney & they absolutely would pursue infringement even if it was for a charity raffle.

The difficulty is the cost of litigation. There are people who argue that simply putting a notice about copyright on a selvage is not sufficient to prove a binding contract. I don't know if that's true or not. What I do know is that I cannot afford to pay an attorney to defend me against a large, well-funded corporation for what would drag on for at least 2 years in court (likely much longer since corporate attorneys will often file for continuances in order to force the other party to drop the case or settle). As a result, Disney pretty much always gets their way when enforcing copyrights. The licensing agreement is between the fabric manufacturer & Disney, not the end users. Unfortunately, unless you have a few million dollars lying around for legal fees & court costs, you'll never get your day in court to prove anything.

NatalieF

I'm really baffled by this. I can understand that if you say, make your own version of Mickey Mouse and tried to sell that, that it would be infringement of copyright. Can they really enforce copyright on a Mickey Mouse printed licensed fabric and you selling an item made with that fabric? What's the point of them creating and selling licensed fabric in the first place, if you can't do what you want with it? Or am I understanding this wrong? (my poor, poor brain! LOL)

Bree123

Natalie,
I think that, legally, you are correct that we can use whatever fabric we bought legally in our quilts & can even sell those quilts (http://info.legalzoom.com/can-make-i...ric-21253.html) Unfortunately, not every lawyer is honest, and even those that are have an obligation to zealously represent their client's interest which can make for quite a headache.

Of course, the design for quilts is a totally separate issue. If there's no pattern (i.e., you saw the actual quilt at a show) then you really do need to get permission to make a very similar quilt, unless the design is either in Public Domain or copyleft. If there is a pattern, it's anyone's guess. Seems like something as simple as making quilts should not be shrouded in so much complexity. I'm glad for copyrights since I believe it fosters new & innovative designs, but all the legal stuff is just plain frustrating!

Zyngawf

The only thing they can't do is make copies of the pattern. You can make things from the pattern and sell them, and you can sell the original pattern you bought. You can loan someone the original pattern you bought, you just can't make a copy and give them that. No one has a copyright on a color scheme. If you buy a pattern you can make it in what ever colors you want. Even if a pattern claims you cannot make the quilt and sell it you still can because they can't do that. There is no law against selling something that is yours. If you make a quilt it is yours to do with as you wish. Copyright is the right to copy and it applies to the pattern only. You can't make copies of the pattern and sell them or give them away. Other than that you are good to go. Someone can file a lawsuit about anything they want, doesn't mean they are in the right.

It's just like a book. They are copyrighted. If I buy a book I can loan it to someone else to read. I can sell it or donate it when I'm done with it. It's my book. I can cut all the pages out an wallpaper a room even if the author doesn't like it. What I can't do it make copies of it. I know no one does that , but its the same rule even though a book is not as easy to run off on a copy machine as a quilt pattern.

Somethings that people think are copyright issues on here are just goofy beyond belief.

justflyingin

No kidding.

justflyingin

And that is the question that bugs all of us. If I have to get permission from someone to make a quilt I saw, then to whom do I ask. How do I know that that quilt wasn't derived from yet another picture or quilt. IOW, how is one to find the "original source" of any given quilt that they see?

How does one kniw if a quilt pattern is in public domain? What about the blocks from which the patterns are derived?...

Random thoughts...
-As I understand it, no one can copyright geometric shapes, or specific colors.
-There are some who would like to claim everything as "theirs".
-If they want to be like that, and I know about them, I give them a wide, wide berth and avoid their stuff, and I actually prefer to not even know what they are doing.
-Of course, I may inadvertently make something quite similar to theirs.

I think I'll happily sink into my own little world.

Annie68

Best answer to OP's question!

Zyngawf

If you make fabric with disney images, yes that would be infringement. If you buy it and make quilts and sell them it isn't. Disney has the money to drag a court case on for years and make someone else miserable even if they are wrong and they would be. I don't like disney for a lot of reasons, now I have another one.

Zyngawf

No you are right. Unfortunately Disney is big can drag a lawsuit out and get their way even though they are wrong. Big corporations can do that even if they are wrong. I think all of us should consider never buying any disney fabric. Sometimes justice can be bought if you have enough money.