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    Two things ............

    One:
    I just got my Sew-Classic order today. I put it in last Friday. Wow! I ordered some Class 66 metal bobbins. They are beautiful. They look to be one piece, not the 3 piece ones normally found. Very smooth plating.
    I haven't used any yet, but if they work as good as they look I'm going to order some more.



    Two:
    Does your machine buzz, hum, groan and struggle to go?
    Does it do all that then suddenly take off like a scared rabbit?
    Do you have one of those universal black rubber band belts on it?

    Then take it off and put a real sewing machine belt on.

    I have had several machines do this to me. And each ran so much better with a proper belt on it I wondered if it was the same machine. The last was my silver SEWMOR 404. I didn't have the proper belt for it until my order got here today and when the new belt went on, oh what a difference.


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    The universal, black rubber belts are tough on the motor and will eventually do it harm.

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    Thanks for the good report on Sew-Classic. I plan to put in an order soon.

    Thanks also for the heads up about the black belt. Now I'm on the hunt.........
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    Thank you for the info. I did not know about the black belts!

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    Right you are Candace.

    The black rubber band belts are OK for temporary use if your real belt breaks or dies on the weekend and you need to keep sewing till you can replace it Monday.

    The sad thing is my ALDENS Magic ZZ machine has a stationary motor with zero adjustments. At first I thought it was a home made replacement, but when I studied the pictures in the owners manual the motor is original. And the pics show a rubber band belt. Guess what, it hums and buzzes and struggles to go. With no adjustments I'm pretty much stuck with the rubber band belt. Yuck.

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    Joe,

    What do you mean by a proper belt? I ordered two kinds of belts from SewClassic. One was a round black rubber and the other was an orange plastic piece of doodoo. The black ones work so well on all of my machines, but the orange plastic one fell apart, actually into little pieces. It was the corrigated kind. It was as though it was brittle. Probably should have contacted them about it but it didn't cost too much. Have you used that kind of belt?
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    I love the bobbins she gets! Yes she is very quick. AND I need to order some more bobbins. I wait until I order enough to get the free shipping.... I'm sure if you told Jenny you had a bad belt she would want to know about it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kitsykeel View Post
    Joe,

    What do you mean by a proper belt? I ordered two kinds of belts from SewClassic. One was a round black rubber and the other was an orange plastic piece of doodoo. The black ones work so well on all of my machines, but the orange plastic one fell apart, actually into little pieces. It was the corrigated kind. It was as though it was brittle. Probably should have contacted them about it but it didn't cost too much. Have you used that kind of belt?
    Kitsy,

    The amber / orange / pink cogged belts run the gamut in quality. From horridly cheep to good. Sew-Classic sold me two early last year that did as yours did, fell apart. They were past the warranty time so I just ordered the black belts, not the round rubber band but the real black belt. Those work very good.
    After that she has put in a line of better quality Japanese made cogged belts. I haven't bought any yet but eventually I will.


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    Quote Originally Posted by miriam View Post
    I love the bobbins she gets! Yes she is very quick. AND I need to order some more bobbins. I wait until I order enough to get the free shipping.... I'm sure if you told Jenny you had a bad belt she would want to know about it.
    Many companies could take lessons from her. Order on Friday afternoon, get the order on Monday morning, excellent service.
    I don't always make large orders to get the free shipping but it sure is nice when I can.

    As for those bobbins, I'm gonna fill one today and do a test run. I'm finally piecing my "all machines denim quilt". Only been working on it since last April.

    Joe

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    Im sorry to bother but the band on my machine broke a month go after only using it a month, I bought her ( my sewmor 754) and haven't bee able to find a band. thing is when i was able to use it, it would do the whole scared rabbit jump off. I just want to make sure that the website to order the belt is sewclassic.com?
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    Yup - Sew classic.

    We had started out by getting some stuff from ebay sellers - and it was hit or miss. Now we only order from Sew Classic. We just put in two orders last week (yup, realized we needed several more items the day after placing the first order LOL!
    My name is Cathy - and I'm addicted to old sewing machines and their attachments.

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    Quote Originally Posted by J Miller View Post

    Does your machine buzz, hum, groan and struggle to go?
    Does it do all that then suddenly take off like a scared rabbit?
    Do you have one of those universal black rubber band belts on it?

    Then take it off and put a real sewing machine belt on.

    I have had several machines do this to me. And each ran so much better with a proper belt on it I wondered if it was the same machine. The last was my silver SEWMOR 404. I didn't have the proper belt for it until my order got here today and when the new belt went on, oh what a difference.


    Joe
    Thanks for the tip, Joe.

    I think you have mentioned before that the noodley black rubber belts are cruddy, and the V Belts are Da Bomb.

    Could you explain why it is that the rubbery noodles are bad? Also Candace mentioned they are hard on the machine. I would really appreciate knowing the "Why" of this all.

    Thanks so much!
    -Cecilia. Tinkering more than stitching, really.

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    Nice one Joe

    Quote Originally Posted by J Miller View Post
    Then take it off and put a real sewing machine belt on.

    I have had several machines do this to me. And each ran so much better with a proper belt on it I wondered if it was the same machine.
    Joe, I had no idea the Singer original type belts were available. After reading the above, I just ordered 5 of them from sew-classic. My local shop is generally great but only sell the rubber ones.
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    quick question, do you guys happen to know the belt type (size) I need? once more its a sewmor 754 pic is on page one. I measured 14.5 inches, but Im uncertain and scared that ill get it wrong.

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    Yes, Sew-Classic is the place I go to for belts. She won't have a direct listing for the SEWMOR but she does have instructions on how to find the belt size.

    Basically tie a non stretching string around the motor pulley and hand wheel with the motor in the center of it's adjustment range, then remove the string and measure it. She has detailed instructions on how to do this in her site.

    My SEWMOR 606 is very similar to your 754, but the belt on it has a non familiar number. If you want to email Jenny at Sew-Classic and give her the number to see if she can cross it, the belt number on my machine is 1100 L. I have no idea who made it as it was on the machine when I got it.

    Joe

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    Am I incorrect in thinking the "black noodle" belts if adjusted correctly are not hard on a motor? I am under the impression if it is adjusted correctly and doesn't pinch within the pulley V it would not be harmful to the motor. I understand the V pulleys are made for V-belts, but why would the "noodle" belts be harmful if there is no stress anywhere?

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    juls313b,
    If you are sure of the 14.5" length with the motor in the middle of the adjustment travel, then I'd start with the black V-Belt # 196386. There are several cogged belts in the same size range, but that's where I'd start.
    Sew-Classic belt page: { http://www.shop.sew-classic.com/Belts_c3.htm }


    Vridar,
    The V-belts when adjusted properly do not put a tension or load on the motor bearings. If you do a deflection test on a properly tensioned V-Belt it will move quite a bit, and actually appear loose. The proper adjustment is "just tight enough to not slip, no tighter".

    The black "noodle belts" are designed to stretch to fit many sizes. If you put them on like a v-belt they will slip. It's the nature of the rubber. I've actually removed the rubber band belts that had slipped so much there was a grove in the belt, and the pulleys were coated with burnt rubber.

    On the other hand if you adjust tight enough to not slip, they put a constant load on the motor bearings. Always there weather the machine is running or not.

    The third thing is the rubber band belts tend to heat check, dry out and break much more often than a proper v-belt.

    Those are the primary reasons I dislike them.

    Joe

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    thank you guys so much, I just ordered my belt. im excited to my new projects to come

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    So you guys are why Sew Classic is always out of the stuff I want.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GreyQ View Post
    So you guys are why Sew Classic is always out of the stuff I want.
    yes, i think that's why. i am also waiting for a 13-3/4' v-belt for my 99K. and they are out of stock.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vmaniqui View Post
    yes, i think that's why. i am also waiting for a 13-3/4' v-belt for my 99K. and they are out of stock.
    Which number are you trying to order?

    joe

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    Quote Originally Posted by J Miller View Post
    Which number are you trying to order?

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    Well, I thought I might have an extra one for a 99 but I don't. Sorry 'bout that.

    Joe

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    Quote Originally Posted by J Miller View Post
    Well, I thought I might have an extra one for a 99 but I don't. Sorry 'bout that.

    Joe
    no worries. Thanks for checking. Happy holidays!

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    I LOVE this board!! Thanks for all of the information.

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