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    Quote Originally Posted by miriam View Post
    Joe, have you thought about using a 15 clone? Just get an extra bobbin case set up to use the heavy thread. I've also used silicone on the vinyl.
    Miriam,

    Got the HOTHER up and running. Put in a spare bobbin case and strung it up with the upholstery thread.
    Sews great with the heavy thread, just having a wee bit of trouble getting the tension right.
    I've run the top tension up to setting 6 and backed the bobbin case tension out 1/2 turn.

    Here is a pic of where I have it now. Two layers of this vinyl is roughly 2/3rds the thickness of the OEM splash shield. So when done it will work. Top strip is the top thread and the bottom is the bobbin thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by J Miller View Post
    Miriam,

    Got the HOTHER up and running. Put in a spare bobbin case and strung it up with the upholstery thread.
    Sews great with the heavy thread, just having a wee bit of trouble getting the tension right.
    I've run the top tension up to setting 6 and backed the bobbin case tension out 1/2 turn.

    Here is a pic of where I have it now. Two layers of this vinyl is roughly 2/3rds the thickness of the OEM splash shield. So when done it will work. Top strip is the top thread and the bottom is the bobbin thread.

    Joe
    Those clones are up for it Joe. Just keep one set up for that stuff.
    NEVER let a sewing machine know you are in a hurry.

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    My friend just purchased her first vintage machine...a Universal Japanese clone. Serial #Z77218 Can someone give a date? She plugged it in last night and sparks flew!! She asked me to look at it. Bare wires coming out of the motor and then black tape to the plug in end to the machine case, about 8 inches long. I've never done any motor rewiring. Is there a tutorial for this, or do I need a more experienced person to work on it? Any help would be deeply appreciated!
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    It's about time!!!! I hope it is in great shape. What an ordeal you went through trying to get it returned- fixed or not. Hopefully you can enjoy using it now, and I'm glad it's now home with you.

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    Sorry- I should have specified I was replying to Julie (jtapp 9).

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    Quote Originally Posted by sew wishful View Post
    My friend just purchased her first vintage machine...a Universal Japanese clone. Serial #Z77218 Can someone give a date? She plugged it in last night and sparks flew!! She asked me to look at it. Bare wires coming out of the motor and then black tape to the plug in end to the machine case, about 8 inches long. I've never done any motor rewiring. Is there a tutorial for this, or do I need a more experienced person to work on it? Any help would be deeply appreciated!
    sew wishful,

    Easy way: Go to Sew-Classic { http://shop.sew-classic.com/ } and buy a replacement motor with bracket. It will bolt right on and plug right into the cord block.

    Less easy way:

    Go to a hardware store and buy some 18 ga SPT-1 wireing. If you get the SPT-2 you might have trouble fitting the wire through the motor. The SPT-1 or 2 refers to the thickness of the insulation. For a better tutorial on it, go to Sew-Classic and go to the section for bulk wire. She has a lot of information in there.

    >Take the motor off of the machine, remove the bracket and pulley.
    There will be a way to separate the motor halfs. Either screws from the outside going into a bracket or a long bolt with nuts on it or ????. You just have to look for them.
    >Before you split the motor, remove the brush caps and the springs and brushes.
    >Then since the wire is already bad, cut it off just outside the motor housing.
    >Then split the housing and carefully take it apart.

    >Once apart you'll find the main shaft with the commutator (where the brushes contact the armature) possibly some little thrust washers and lots of crud.

    >Also follow the old wires to where they are soldered onto the outer wirings. These have to be un-soldered and the new wires soldered on.
    That is the hardest part to this job.

    >The second hardest part is cleaning the motor of all the crud.
    > Clean the glaze off of the commutator, I use 600 grit sandpaper wrapped around a popsicle stick. I don't cut into the copper, I just clean it.
    Clean the brush areas, make sure the springs are good. Clean the caps. They are probably Bakelite so will be fragile and brittle.

    Now, once it's cleaned inside and out, and the new wires are soldered in you have to reassemble it.
    The armature goes in first, one way or the other. Then depending on which end of the case the wires come out of you have to guide them out through the hole. Now, usually there is a knot tied in the wire to prevent it from being yanked out and damaging the connections inside. I'm horrible with knots but I do it as small as I can. If your lucky there might be a stress relief part passing through the hole around the wire. If that is there you'll see it when you're taking apart. Just put it back in the way it came out.
    Finish assembling the motor making sure the wires don't get in the way of the armature on the insides and the brushes line up too.

    The motor will need some oil so do that too. Don't flood it though.

    Put the plug on it and plug it in. If you've done it right, it will run just fine. If not, well try again or refer to the easy way above.

    This is basically what I do. I hope I haven't been to vague.

    Joe
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    Julie, so glad you got your machine back. Hope to see what you have made real soon.
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    It sounds like Universal cords have similar issues. Mine did and and I have read of another. My motor cord was bare, but the other cords are still good. I got it apart and decided it was beyond my capabilities - not the right tools for a confined area, so I took it to my large appliance repairman. He rewired and cleaned for his bench fee of $35 - maybe close to price of a new one, but I needed the bright turquoise housing. He had never done a SM, but felt that a motor is a motor and was quite willing to have at it.

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    I have read that a lot of the old wiring has insulation made from latex. I have personally seen this stuff chemically deteriorate and melt while sitting in the case. My Hother motor did that.
    The wiring in many of these old 40s and 50s machines is aluminum. AL is a good conductor of electricity but it expands and contracts due to heat when in use and it will corrode at the drop of the hat.

    So replacing the old wiring is a good thing to do.

    Joe

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    Thanks so much, Joe and Irishrose! I'm thinking this is beyond me, or at least beyond my toolbox. I'm going to carry the motor in to show her today, and let her decide. Anyone have an approximate price of a new motor from Sew-Classic? Since this machine is all so nice...no wear marks at all...all of the gold is pristine, I'm thinking that is exactly what happened, Joe...the wiring just disintegrated! My friend sewed with it the other night just to be sure it worked. I wouldn't have even plugged it in! I may ask the maintenance department to have a look and get an opinion from them. Pretty small motor for them, tho. LOL! Maybe I'll offer to buy the machine from my friend for what she paid and then do what I think should be done. New motor! Thank you again!
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    Quote Originally Posted by sew wishful View Post
    Thanks so much, Joe and Irishrose! I'm thinking this is beyond me, or at least beyond my toolbox. I'm going to carry the motor in to show her today, and let her decide. Anyone have an approximate price of a new motor from Sew-Classic? Since this machine is all so nice...no wear marks at all...all of the gold is pristine, I'm thinking that is exactly what happened, Joe...the wiring just disintegrated! My friend sewed with it the other night just to be sure it worked. I wouldn't have even plugged it in! I may ask the maintenance department to have a look and get an opinion from them. Pretty small motor for them, tho. LOL! Maybe I'll offer to buy the machine from my friend for what she paid and then do what I think should be done. New motor! Thank you again!
    Maybe we can sweet talk Joe into doing a tutorial with LOTS of pictures - I bet your maintenance man wouldn't even blink. There are small motor repair shops still around maybe they would tackle it. Sew-classic does have a motor you can swap on there - probably not as heavy duty.
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    Quote Originally Posted by miriam View Post
    Maybe we can sweet talk Joe into doing a tutorial with LOTS of pictures - I bet your maintenance man wouldn't even blink. There are small motor repair shops still around maybe they would tackle it. Sew-classic does have a motor you can swap on there - probably not as heavy duty.
    I checked the motors from sew classic and they aren't the same volts and watts. Does that matter? If her price is pretty much the normal, I'll just switch them out. That's pretty reasonable! Ya' know....I took a motor off the machine I turned into a handcrank...what did I do with it??? Off to the hunt!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by sew wishful View Post
    I checked the motors from sew classic and they aren't the same volts and watts. Does that matter? If her price is pretty much the normal, I'll just switch them out. That's pretty reasonable! Ya' know....I took a motor off the machine I turned into a handcrank...what did I do with it??? Off to the hunt!!
    he he - nope size doesn't matter - that other motor should work if the wires, etc are ok
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    The motors Sew-Classic sells are made by, or at least labeled by, Alphasew. They are generally .9 Amp motors and do run quite well. I have ....... oh five or six of them on my machines.
    My HOTHER has one on it and I'm sewing through two layers of thick vinyl. All are 110-125 V US household electrical compatible.

    The one you would need for your machine is:
    http://shop.sew-classic.com/Motor-Ne...s-SCE35L09.htm
    And Sew-Classic is selling those for $23.95 + shipping.

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    I'll gladly do the motor re-wire pictorial, but it will have to wait until I find a donor motor and I get a few projects that are pending finished.

    Joe

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    Quote Originally Posted by J Miller View Post
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    I'll gladly do the motor re-wire pictorial, but it will have to wait until I find a donor motor and I get a few projects that are pending finished.

    Joe
    Hey Joe....I have an old motor that needs rewiring that you could use to do the tutorial. Would you consider doing it for me?

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    Quote Originally Posted by vintagemotif View Post
    Nancy, I noticed your jeans that you had worn to Cathy's TOGA, but I didn't make a comment since I thought you just purchased them that way. Do you add additional embroidery to all of your jeans? You did an excellent job!!
    Monica, those jeans came that way. I didn't do anything to them. I usually buy the glitzed up jeans - except for my riding jeans - I prefer the glitzed jeans. I have embroidered flowers down one jeans leg after taking the leg apart, but I have never tried to embroider a pocket or around the pocket like Joe's wife was doing. I add crystals to a lot of my jeans, but not embroidery. I am going to try the embroidery around the back pocket seam now, though - thanks to Joe! That would save me a ton of money as those glitzed up jeans are very expensive!

    Welcome back Julie. Let us know when you get to try out your machine!

    Nancy
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    Quote Originally Posted by jljack View Post
    Hey Joe....I have an old motor that needs rewiring that you could use to do the tutorial. Would you consider doing it for me?
    Sure. PM me so we can work out the details.

    Joe

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    Glenn, did you make a tute yet for your machine cleaning method? Now that a bunch of us have the stuff/cleaning supplies; and, are attempting to shine up these old girls, it would be nice if your method was put in a tute or its own thread so we can find it without having to go back through here. I know originally we wanted the information here so we could test and discuss your method, but now we need a place where we can go to quickly get the information!

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    Quote Originally Posted by BoJangles View Post
    Monica, those jeans came that way. I didn't do anything to them. I usually buy the glitzed up jeans - except for my riding jeans - I prefer the glitzed jeans. I have embroidered flowers down one jeans leg after taking the leg apart, but I have never tried to embroider a pocket or around the pocket like Joe's wife was doing. I add crystals to a lot of my jeans, but not embroidery. I am going to try the embroidery around the back pocket seam now, though - thanks to Joe! That would save me a ton of money as those glitzed up jeans are very expensive!

    Welcome back Julie. Let us know when you get to try out your machine!

    Nancy
    I have made my own jeans, which is a huge endeavor. There is a learning curve with making jeans, patterns and fabrics that work together. First couple of pair of jeans I made became my jeans for yard work. I wouldn't take the leg of a bought jean apart like you have done. That just seems like too much work. Luckly, all these vintage machines can tackle sewing through layers of denim without any troubles. So, sewing seams and hems are a breeze!

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    Quote Originally Posted by vintagemotif View Post
    I have made my own jeans, which is a huge endeavor. There is a learning curve with making jeans, patterns and fabrics that work together. First couple of pair of jeans I made became my jeans for yard work. I wouldn't take the leg of a bought jean apart like you have done. That just seems like too much work. Luckly, all these vintage machines can tackle sewing through layers of denim without any troubles. So, sewing seams and hems are a breeze!
    Monica, I agree....taking apart jeans seems scary to me...I'm not a garment person, so taking apart and trying to fix or alter anything seems very much more than I can technically accomplish!!

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    Candace asked to see my Necchi Supernova's round multiple needle plate. Here are the photos. My thumb in the one photo is pointing to the lever that gets pressed to lift the plate. Also, one photo shows comparison of plate height in released mode versus the height of the slide plate. To get the plate to sit back into position, just press the plate at the small center circle. I didn't realize how much lint had accumulated after sewing the decorative stitching on my last quilt's binding. Last couple of photos, I thought I cleaned most of the lint away...heehee...only to see in the photo that there is still lint...maybe it's time for new glasses.
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    I have a 1963-ish Singer Fashion Mate Model 237 that Billy did the spa treatment on a couple of years ago. It has been sewing wonderfully but now, after I moved it from one end of the house to the other it's going on/off. I can wiggle the power cord that goes from plug-in to motor & it will come back on. Then I can sew, but when I stop it won't run until I wiggle the cord again. Somebody tell me what to do or do what Joe said & buy a new one. The "less easy way" would be a "no way" for me.
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    Everyone here by now knows that I love old machines especially treadles and somehow you guys find me the go to guy for answers to you questions. OTE=Lostn51;992715]Hello everyone!!!

    I just want to say that since I have become a member in this community I have felt very welcome and honored to be able to get to know you all and I have met some really wonderful people and have made quite a few friends!!

    Everyone here by now knows that I love old machines especially treadles and somehow you guys find me the go to guy for answers to you questions.

    Every day I hop on to see what is going on and I have tons of PM's in my folder waiting on me to help out with your vintage machines. I am NOT complaining a drop, believe me I really appreciate the fact that you respect me enough to want to ask your questions and I REALLY enjoy helping you all out. Plus I get to see some really neat machines that you guys own!!!!

    Now I am far from an expert by no means, but you know I will do everything I can to find the answers for you or point you to someone who does know the answers. I have tons of records, manuals and parts list stored on my HD plus the stacks of factory documents sitting in front of me that could help a lot of us out with our machines.

    SO...........I am going to do a PDA just for asking questions, posting photos and just a nice place to hang out, but if it really takes off who knows the administrator might set up a corner just for the vintage machines.

    But I was thinking that if we had a special area to go to ask questions and post photos it might would help some else that may have the same question. To me there is nothing more special that to make a quilt on a vintage machine.

    So if you like Vintage machines and you want to come to the shop and hang out with us then feel free to do so!!!

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    Thanks for the pics, Monica. I love the fact that you can switch to a straight stitch and then zigzag with no plates to lose or get separated from the machine. Are the Necchis the only machines that have this capability? Not all Necchis after this one have this feature, so I wonder why they stopped incorporating it into the later model design. I think it's so cool.

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    I'm restoring a wheeler & wilson treadle machine for my wife. She used to sew on it awhile ago. I'm looking for the drive belt and a set of decals for the machine as the ones on the machine have worn off. Any help would be appreciated. I can also be reached thru my email [email protected]

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