Copyright aggrevation.
07-23-2010, 04:06 PM
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Originally Posted by knlsmith
Okay, this is just a vent.
I have done my work to make sure that everything I sell I am properly licensed and/or have permission to do so from the designer of the patterns I use. It takes a lot of work/time/money to obtain this priviledge. I am not complaining about that part of it. I love to work and I love to EARN the priviledge. It is my honor to recreate a designer's idea into fabric or whatever medium I desire. I find it to be very rewarding to be able to make things and sell them.
My problem is whenever I get ready to list something on etsy or somewhere else, there are already people selling these items without a license/permission. So I don't even bother with it online.
I am not trying to pay my house payment or truck payment. I just like to make enough to buy more fabric and supplies to make more items to sell. it is relaxing and fun to do.
I just find it completely and utterly UNFAIR that people just willy nilly sell stuff without permission. If they had permission, they would know that most designers want their name mentioned as the designer and you (or me the one who makes the item) listed as the creator.
UGH! At least I know I can sleep at night knowing that i did it the right way. But I had to "kick n scream" about it somewhere. Everyone here knows how much work, thought, and love goes into our handmade items so i thought this would be a safe place to vent.
Thank you for your time. Ok. Now time to make some more bags! :)
I have done my work to make sure that everything I sell I am properly licensed and/or have permission to do so from the designer of the patterns I use. It takes a lot of work/time/money to obtain this priviledge. I am not complaining about that part of it. I love to work and I love to EARN the priviledge. It is my honor to recreate a designer's idea into fabric or whatever medium I desire. I find it to be very rewarding to be able to make things and sell them.
My problem is whenever I get ready to list something on etsy or somewhere else, there are already people selling these items without a license/permission. So I don't even bother with it online.
I am not trying to pay my house payment or truck payment. I just like to make enough to buy more fabric and supplies to make more items to sell. it is relaxing and fun to do.
I just find it completely and utterly UNFAIR that people just willy nilly sell stuff without permission. If they had permission, they would know that most designers want their name mentioned as the designer and you (or me the one who makes the item) listed as the creator.
UGH! At least I know I can sleep at night knowing that i did it the right way. But I had to "kick n scream" about it somewhere. Everyone here knows how much work, thought, and love goes into our handmade items so i thought this would be a safe place to vent.
Thank you for your time. Ok. Now time to make some more bags! :)
07-23-2010, 04:31 PM
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Magic Tiles is outdated as far as being considered something new. It's just a variation on a stack-and-slash quilt, where you stack different fabric blocks and do a series of cuts and shuffles. When the cuts are sewn back together, you end up with different blocks for your quilt. Almost the exact same pattern was in one of the quilting magazine not long ago. I wouldn't buy the pattern, how to do the technique is on many blogs in tutorial form.
07-23-2010, 04:53 PM
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which is why I make up my own - using something out of my head or old old blocks and put together my own way.... I've only done two quilts that were done by a pattern - the blooming 9 patch and the starry nights, but I still used my own color combinations etc...
All the patterns from books, etc that I have are for "inspiration"....
All the patterns from books, etc that I have are for "inspiration"....
07-23-2010, 05:09 PM
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Most quilt patterns are in the public domain. The old ones. Most designer will say that you can make the item for fun and profit but not mass produce, which means, to set up a factory.....
Why would I purchase a book or pattern if I can't sell what I make if I choose to do so. When I make a quilt I am under no obligation to say who designed the pattern. I have payed for it and the work is mine. If I want to share the designer's name so other's can make the quilt, I will gladly do so but it will not be on my label.
The same applies when I paint ornaments or some cute stuff out of one of my painting books. I sign that piece with my name. I painted it. There is no need to say who designed it.
Why would I purchase a book or pattern if I can't sell what I make if I choose to do so. When I make a quilt I am under no obligation to say who designed the pattern. I have payed for it and the work is mine. If I want to share the designer's name so other's can make the quilt, I will gladly do so but it will not be on my label.
The same applies when I paint ornaments or some cute stuff out of one of my painting books. I sign that piece with my name. I painted it. There is no need to say who designed it.
07-23-2010, 06:15 PM
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Let's be upstanding individuals and give credit where credit is due. Our creations are our intellectual property and are protected whether you believe it or not. Check the law. If you steal or "borrow" property and profit from it you may be confronted by the owner. In most cases all you have to do is ask permission and the owner is thrilled to share. How easy is that?
I don't know where manners went, but I know we all know good manners. You wouldn't steal candy from your elderly neighbor and sell it to the neighborhood kids would you? Of course not. Let's show the quilting community we respect their contributions. We may be in their shoes some day.
I don't know where manners went, but I know we all know good manners. You wouldn't steal candy from your elderly neighbor and sell it to the neighborhood kids would you? Of course not. Let's show the quilting community we respect their contributions. We may be in their shoes some day.
07-23-2010, 06:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Chele
Let's be upstanding individuals and give credit where credit is due. Our creations are our intellectual property and are protected whether you believe it or not. Check the law. If you steal or "borrow" property and profit from it you may be confronted by the owner. In most cases all you have to do is ask permission and the owner is thrilled to share. How easy is that?
I don't know where manners went, but I know we all know good manners. You wouldn't steal candy from your elderly neighbor and sell it to the neighborhood kids would you? Of course not. Let's show the quilting community we respect their contributions. We may be in their shoes some day.
I don't know where manners went, but I know we all know good manners. You wouldn't steal candy from your elderly neighbor and sell it to the neighborhood kids would you? Of course not. Let's show the quilting community we respect their contributions. We may be in their shoes some day.
I dont think anyone is saying not to use manners we are talking about the law
And weather pattern makers likes it or not when a pattern is released for sale they lose all rights to dictate whats done with that pattern other then the pattern may not be copied and sold.
If they want to limit who can make and sell items then they need to licenses their pattern and only those that agree to the licensing can make and sell the resulting product.
And agreeing is not simply stating on the pattern that it can not be sold.
I am not saying this to be rude or be argumentative but mis information about patterns is rampant in the craft industry
07-23-2010, 06:59 PM
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What if I figure out Apple's "pattern" for the IPhone? Do you think I could sell it? Or is that that license/law thing? Doesn't it really boil down to ethics or manners? If you didn't create it, you should really ask permission to profit from it.
As an aside, I bet all of you talented quilters could come up with your own wonderful patterns. And I'm sure you'd be more than willing to share with the rest of the world. That's what I love about quilters. Huge hearts and sharing personalities. And if your fellow quilter made billions off your pattern without ever asking if it was okay, you'd send a congratulations bouquet, right? Laws or not, what's the right thing to do?
As an aside, I bet all of you talented quilters could come up with your own wonderful patterns. And I'm sure you'd be more than willing to share with the rest of the world. That's what I love about quilters. Huge hearts and sharing personalities. And if your fellow quilter made billions off your pattern without ever asking if it was okay, you'd send a congratulations bouquet, right? Laws or not, what's the right thing to do?
07-23-2010, 07:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Chele
What if I figure out Apple's "pattern" for the IPhone? Do you think I could sell it? Or is that that license/law thing? Doesn't it really boil down to ethics or manners? If you didn't create it, you should really ask permission to profit from it.
As an aside, I bet all of you talented quilters could come up with your own wonderful patterns. And I'm sure you'd be more than willing to share with the rest of the world. That's what I love about quilters. Huge hearts and sharing personalities. And if your fellow quilter made billions off your pattern without ever asking if it was okay, you'd send a congratulations bouquet, right? Laws or not, what's the right thing to do?
As an aside, I bet all of you talented quilters could come up with your own wonderful patterns. And I'm sure you'd be more than willing to share with the rest of the world. That's what I love about quilters. Huge hearts and sharing personalities. And if your fellow quilter made billions off your pattern without ever asking if it was okay, you'd send a congratulations bouquet, right? Laws or not, what's the right thing to do?
Sorry but your argument doesn't hold water. An iphone is not a pattern. It's not copyrighted either. An iphone, or any other type of electronics are trademarked and patented. Not even close to the same thing.
07-23-2010, 07:44 PM
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This is so confusing, but I'm going to go with my conscience here. There is a bag that I want to sell, however the pattern maker expressly states that you cannot make her bag to sell unless you pay her a fee. Whether I don't have to or not is moot; my conscience says I do.
Didn't mean to interrupt the original poster here, but it's uncanny how this subject came up with me also.
Didn't mean to interrupt the original poster here, but it's uncanny how this subject came up with me also.
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