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    Help Please..Singer Bentwood

    I have just been gifted with a Singer Bentwood with the serial number of JB276149. I have looked on the Singer site but all they have is J.....not JB...is there any place else I may look?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sassylass View Post
    I have just been gifted with a Singer Bentwood with the serial number of JB276149. I have looked on the Singer site but all they have is J.....not JB...is there any place else I may look?
    Thank you ..
    According to http://www.singersewinginfo.co.uk/stjohns/ the dates would be 1936 - 1948. I have tried calling regarding some other serial numbers I have and they will tell you that they can't pinpoint closer than that. If you are looking for the model, it might be on the machine. If there isn't a model number on the pillar somewhere, a picture would help identify the model.

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    Some of the arcives are lost unfortunately. Sometimes decals, various features, model number, finish, etc. can lead toward the beginn or end of the time frame, but 1936 to 48 isn't that bad really, but 12 years should leave room for a bit of detective work :- )

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    Hope This Works....

    I didn't find any number so I hope these photos work!
    Thank you for the information that you have given me..
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    Trying Again..

    Ok my problem was that I had to resize my photo...also in this photo is a ??lever? to wind?? Not sure what it is for ...any help would be appreciated...thank you.
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    It's a model 128 (it can be a bit hard to tell dimensions from photos, but a 3/4 sized version of model 127 which is identical but a full size machine). Decals are very much in line with my 1934 model 99, so I'm guessing yours is closer to 1936 than 1948, or somewhere in the middle. The problem is I don't know how all decals types on the 128 looked like, nor when the changes happened. I know other models like 66, 99 had a distinct development in decal pattern. Closer to 1930 and up the decor turns simpler and simpler, black and gold only.

    Your machine has the larger spoked hand wheel, which leans twoards a machine originally set up as hand crank, and later fitted with motor and lights. At the time it was sort of an upgrade ready made for the owner when she was ready for it.

    I don't know what the winding lever is, a hand crank is usually larger. There should be a black metal lever inside the bent wood lid, together with a box of accessories.
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    Thank you Mickey2...yes there is a black lever, it was just laying inside the box but I did find out how to put it up on the lid.
    I am anxious to get started sewing with this but the cord doesn't look all that safe so a new one may be in order.
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    Sassylass, the steel that goes from the pillar to the slide looks like it may be the control lever for the motor, though different from most I've see. Leaving the machine unplugged, if you put the right end of the lever into the hole at the right side of the case can you feel a bit of spring tension as you push the bottom of the lever to the right?

    My28 is a blackside crinkle finish , newer than yours. currently ( no pun intended) converted to handcrank

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    Sassylass,
    Lucky you. I believe Mickey2 is correct as to it being a 128. I'm basing that on the size of the light in relationship to the arm. You can find a manual for similar machine at http://parts.singerco.com/IPinstManuals/127-3_128-3.pdf
    or http://www.singerco.com/uploads/down..._127-128-3.pdf Unfortunately, neither one shows the bentwood models. I can't find a manual right now for the bentwood models. There was a thread here on QB recently about a kneebar with the "barrel" end. It appears that the handle would be inserted to the hole on the right side of the base and used as a knee controller rather than using a foot controller to run the machine. Does the black lever have the same kind of end??

    I also noticed that you have a "Singercraft Guide" which can be used to make rugs or trim. Yours appears to be number 120936. You can find some information about various guides at http://thefeatherweight221factory.com/page21.php but the pictures aren't showing on my computer. More info at http://www.knitting-and.com/singercraft/ and http://www.knitting-and.com/singercraft/what-is-it.html There is a youtube video for "How to use Singercraft Guide"

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    pic #4 on my profile shows mine.

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    Sorry for not answering sooner... I haven't had time to play with my new toy. Hubby has been taking chemo and in between that I have been snow blowing.
    Thank you all for the wealth of new information and when I get time to play I will hopefully be able to answer more questions. I hope I can find the end of the Singer guide in the box of goodies...I enjoyed watching the video on how to use it!!
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    Looking at the case, this is set up for a knee controller. Seems you are missing the knee mechanism. See the hole on the right front.
    Under the metal plate is the controller mechanism. The handle has no use, unless you have the gears for a handcrank. I would simply buy a repro handcrank. Inexpensive conversion, since you already have the handwheel.
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    Sorry to hear about the chemo and knowing some of what goes with it. Here is a shot of my blackslide converted to Handcrank, just in case you don't have the electrical controls under that plate. Repro handcranks aren't quite as good das original, but good enough for my purposes. We took it and a 99HC to a demo. Silly us we took one bobbin for the 99 and broke it. Finished the day on the VS machine. http://www.quiltingboard.com/members...653-568425.jpg

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sassylass View Post
    Sorry for not answering sooner... I haven't had time to play with my new toy. Hubby has been taking chemo and in between that I have been snow blowing.
    Thank you all for the wealth of new information and when I get time to play I will hopefully be able to answer more questions. I hope I can find the end of the Singer guide in the box of goodies...I enjoyed watching the video on how to use it!!
    No apologies necessary. Sorry your "plate" is so full. Perfectly understandable. Thank you for letting us know.

    Actually, your Singercraft Guide is the the "No. 1" and will not have the blade. I do see the button, which from what I read, is usually missing. On this page http://www.knitting-and.com/singercraft/editions.html she says that you can do gathered puffing, that can't be done with the later ones. I think most of the instructions on that site are for the "No. 2" guides. I don't remember seeing any instructions for the "No. 1." I'm thinking that your "guide" pre-dates your machine, which isn't all that unusual. I enjoy seeing other "goodies" so I hope when you have time you can post some more pictures.

    Here is a picture of the knee lever for my 1928 99 that has the barrel end.

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    Take care. I hope things go smoothly for you.

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    If the handle does fit in the hole and actually engages the controller. I'm wondering if it may have been adapted to be able to sew using one's hand on the handle?? rather than using one's knee.
    Last edited by OurWorkbench; 02-16-2017 at 07:11 PM. Reason: after-thought
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    Quote Originally Posted by OurWorkbench View Post
    ... I don't remember seeing any instructions for the "No. 1."
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    boy, I'm embarrassed http://www.knitting-and.com/singercr...32-booklet.pdf The instructions for the Number 1 guide are on page 6 & 7 of the pdf. However, I didn't see anything anything about the puffing that is mentioned on the "editions" page.

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    I just found a manual that includes the knee bar but for the 99.
    http://www.singerco.com/uploads/down...2c142a66d9.pdf

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