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Thread: Vintage Japanese 'Badged' sewing machine with fancy stitches

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    Thanks for the quick responses, Cari-in-Oly and miriam. I only just got it yesterday afternoon. After oiling it up, it does appear to be functional, but I'm going to have to work on some tension settings before I try anything significant (or play with the fancy stitches). It's in pretty good shape for having been abandoned in a house that I've been told was in really bad shape. The "Brother" label is on the workings underneath, not actually on the body of the machine (all the other stamps are in the metal, and the JA26 is hard to read; someone has marked over it--may be a 28).

    I've seen a couple references to a list in the Yahoo group for dating Japanese badged machines; how do I find it?

    I think I may be getting addicted to old machines myself...I have a Singer Featherweight that was a gift and a Singer (model 99, I think) from the 40's (I have the info. at home).

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    That's a rebadged Brother Charger, perhaps a Charger 651. 1960s machine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KenmoreRulesAll View Post
    That's a rebadged Brother Charger, perhaps a Charger 651. 1960s machine.
    It sure looks like one; only the stitch selection area looks different. Thanks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by KenmoreRulesAll View Post
    That's a rebadged Brother Charger, perhaps a Charger 651. 1960s machine.
    It sure looks like one; only the stitch selection area looks different. Thanks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by KenmoreRulesAll View Post
    That's a rebadged Brother Charger, perhaps a Charger 651. 1960s machine.
    Also looks like the "Project" machines, it's real close to my Project 651.

    Cari

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    Quote Originally Posted by bookw0rm View Post

    I've seen a couple references to a list in the Yahoo group for dating Japanese badged machines; how do I find it?
    No, not for dating them, there are no records for Japanese machines like there are for American machines and some others. The lists are for using the JA and JC numbers to possibly figure out the manufacturer. In your case it wasn't needed. No question who built it.

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    How do you navigate the yahoo site?
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    I've enjoyed looking through this thread. I'll add one of my Japanese ZigZaggers:

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    Coronado was a badge sold by the Gambles department store. Gambles was a mid-west (US.) department store which went out of business in the 60s or early 70s. The brass badge on the pedestal says 'Standard Sewing Equipment Corp' around the edge of the badge. Within the middle it says 'Model SAZ-2 Deluxe' followed by 'Automatic ZigZag Japan'.

    It was a Craigslist find and it's a high shank. It came without a manual, cams or any attachments. I had to do some research to figure out how to use it and determine what cams would fit it. I love the teal color.

    I found on Yahoo's Vintage Japanese Sewing Machine group a photo of the same machine with a Universal badge. The owner had included a photo of the cam compartment with a cam inside. The cam had the stitch pattern embossed on it along with the number 15. I searched Ebay until I found a box of cams with a #15 cam that had the same design. I purchased it hoping it would fit my Coronado and it did.

    I posted some photos of the Coronado in the photo album of the same Yahoo Group and low and behold someone recognized the cam compartment and told me the machine was the same as a White 231 and the manual to the White was on a Singer website. She was correct! I was able to download the White manual - it is a match to my Coronado machine.

    I'm not sure if the White company made the Coronado and Universal machines in Japan or if another Japanese company made a machine that was badged White, Universal and Coronado (and perhaps additional badges).
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    do you mean Gimbel's?

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    Quote Originally Posted by KenmoreRulesAll View Post
    do you mean Gimbel's?
    Nope, it was Gambles. Gimbles was another store.

    SusanMarie, now here's where I'm gonna muck the history up a bit. Up to 1954 Coronado machines were built by National. After that they were Japanese built. Before I ever saw one like yours, I had assumed that Brother built all of them after 1954. Now I believe that the Brother built Coronados came sometime later in the 50s or possibly the early 60s because yours is definitely an earlier machine than the Brother built ones.

    I've never been able to keep the White/Standard/National connections history straight in my head so I won't even try to explain why your Japanese built machine with the Standard badge has a White manual. Whew, now I have a headache.

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    Quote Originally Posted by miriam View Post
    How do you navigate the yahoo site?
    Not sure what you're asking Miriam. Are you trying to find the Yahoo groups? I've been using Yahoo as my "home page" when the computer first turns on since I started using a computer in 99. On the left side of the homepage is a partial list of Yahoo sites. At the bottom of that is a link for more sites. Click that and you'll find the link for the Yahoo groups.

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    Interesting. I've never heard of Gambles. I've seen machines with the 'Gimbel's' badge and I've seen Coronado sewing machines but never freezers or other appliances.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KenmoreRulesAll View Post
    Interesting. I've never heard of Gambles. I've seen machines with the 'Gimbel's' badge and I've seen Coronado sewing machines but never freezers or other appliances.
    you must be too sheltered
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    Slightly off topic, but partly on .... huh ?

    I also have a Gambles Coronado Princess.
    It's a light green clone, made by Brother.
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    On the badge on the upper left corner of the arm is a crown.
    In the crown in very small letters is the name Gambles.
    So although a straight stitch clone, the name does fit with the ongoing conversation.


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    Yes, it's enough to give anyone a headache. To muddy the waters further I read a theory somewhere that the company name on the distinctive oval brass badge (Standard Sewing Equipment Corp) was the name of a distributor, not the name of the company that actually manufactured the machine.

    I was in the old part of Wabasha, Minnesota a couple of months ago and saw an old Gambles store front. The store was of course closed but the logo sign was still up on the store front. It took me back a few years.

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    It's been fun to see everyones' machine pictures!

    OK, here are a few of mine...

    The Belvedere is sewn off and ready to sell, but I don't have cams for it.

    The Dressmaker needs work. I have the cams for it, but not the reverse button.

    The New Home, I bought clean, but haven't had time to play with it yet.

    The Riccar is just a fun package! The case has these spring-loaded bars on each side that you turn, then push in to release the cover. Then the one side comes off to reveal a storage space: one side for bobbins, the other for thread spools, with one small box for accessories and the other for the cams. The cam door is in the front, and flips up. Down side is that it has a broken driver gear. I have a replacement, just need to put it in.
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    your Belvedere looks like one I have and needs cams too I'm thinking mine says good housekeeper - I'm also thinking it had a broken plastic gear and it was replaced. It did not zig and zag right. Does that Riccar have a cleated internal belt?
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    The broken drive gear seems to be a common theme with Riccars. I have one with a broken hook drive gear. Different model than yours though.
    Neat case on yours. Mine has an integrated case that folds down with built in storage on the ends. It looks like a suitcase when it's all folded together.
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    Those are nice machines, Annette. I especially like the New Home and Dressmaker models. Someone likes green.

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    The design on the case and the hidden front cam door, kinda makes me think of spy stuff. LOL! I think the engineers on these cool cases were having fun.
    Annette in Utah

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    Not sure on the cleated belt. I'll have to check when I get home from work. Those cleated belts give it a little more power -- I like that in a machine!
    Annette in Utah

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    Green is good!
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    Smile Bradford Deluxe (W.T. Grant) Model #950 - Manual Available Anywhere?

    Hey all.... newbie here, and newbie sewer, sort of. My husband (the true sewer of the family) and I acquired this machine. I have gone through this 'thread' in hopes that someone might list a place to get a manual. I've scoured the internet to no avail. Is there anybody out there that could help us with this, please?

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    Thanks in advance for your help!!

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    Manuals for the exact machine can be hard to find. You might get lucky and someone here might have one. I'm not familiar with the Bradford brand. Anyone with enough money to buy the minimum order could have whatever name they wanted put on a machine. It's very possible you can find a manual for your machine under a different name too. It's very common for the same basic machine to be sold under several different brands.

    SewUSA sells a lot of different manuals. If you email them a picture of your machine they may have a manual that will work but under a different name.
    http://sewusa.com/Sewing_Machine_Ins...on_Manuals.htm
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