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    I have to share - I got a FW 221 yesterday. No extras, but in great condition. The decals look as if she was not used. Serial number AF866066, indicating an allotment date of April 1, 1941. She is a little stiff (who wouldn't be after sitting on a shelf for 20 years!) and needs some care. The belt is leather. I had not seen one in leather before, other than treadles. I feel lucky to have her.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Quilt Mom View Post
    I have to share - I got a FW 221 yesterday. No extras, but in great condition. The decals look as if she was not used. Serial number AF866066, indicating an allotment date of April 1, 1941. She is a little stiff (who wouldn't be after sitting on a shelf for 20 years!) and needs some care. The belt is leather. I had not seen one in leather before, other than treadles. I feel lucky to have her.
    Congrats! If she is a little stiff you might want to oil her with Triflow - get it at a bicycle shop or on line. It will free it up very quickly.
    Never let a sewing machine know you are in a hurry.

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    Hurray, Quilt Mom!!! You've been bitten!! Have fun loosening her up and send pics!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Candace View Post
    Yikes....here's a NAZI decal machine in my town for sale. Yikes.... http://sacramento.craigslist.org/atq/2728944283.html
    not crazy about the NAZI, but i'd take the machine

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    Quote Originally Posted by miriam View Post
    I wish somebody would start a photo gallery of old toy sewing machines.
    I nominate you Miriam, it was your idea, well at least you voiced the idea. I myself would like to see such a thread, so that I can see what I need to add to my, just recently started, collection. Have a few we've managed to pick up here & there, and the sewing room is being set up to allow for future additions; these smaller machines take up less room

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    Quote Originally Posted by Candace View Post
    Yikes....here's a NAZI decal machine in my town for sale. Yikes.... http://sacramento.craigslist.org/atq/2728944283.html
    I don't want it, lost too many relatives to the Nazi's...took me a long time to decide buying a used VW was ok.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by bloomin'Iris View Post
    I nominate you Miriam, it was your idea, well at least you voiced the idea. I myself would like to see such a thread, so that I can see what I need to add to my, just recently started, collection. Have a few we've managed to pick up here & there, and the sewing room is being set up to allow for future additions; these smaller machines take up less room
    I ain't got a toy sewing machine in the mix. Someone else will have to.
    Never let a sewing machine know you are in a hurry.

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    I had been working on the things for our Christmas bazaar booth, but things can change so fast. My mom went to the doctor on Tues. to have her under active thyroid checked, and try to find out what was causing weakness in her left hand. A ct scan to check for a small stroke revealed a brain tumor, that had potentially spread from lung cancer. Also in most major organs. Starting radiation today, to hopefully control the growth and pressure on her brain. If that is successful, then possibly chemo for the rest. Too widespread for surgery. We are somewhat overwhelmed but our new family motto is "make every day count" so yall keep us in your thoughts please.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BoJangles View Post

    Here is a gem - anyone guess the age? http://sacramento.craigslist.org/clt/2729438802.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by vintagemotif View Post
    I have noticed that when I treadle with my Singer 328 I get a good workout; it's not the easiest machine to treadle.
    Now, my Davis NVF, Two Spools, and Singer 201 will treadle without much effort on my part. I can treadle with them all day long with not much of a workout.
    I am so looking forward to treadling one of mine for more than a few minutes. DH still working on cabinet for the 66-1, and the Davis VF still sitting on a box. I'm not treadling anything right now!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by BoJangles View Post
    This machine may be a German Lion, but I wonder how rare it really is? It looks like a Japanese Clone model 15 from the late 40's/50's?

    Candace I am not up on the swastika, but I know the Nazi's used that design. According to the dictionary, the Nazi's used that design with the arms bent clockwise.

    The swastika was also an ancient design and mystic symbol in the form of a cross with four equal arms, each bent to the right angle.

    http://sacramento.craigslist.org/atq/2728944283.html

    I know nothing about the swastika, but the design on the bed of the machine looks like lions? Is that the swastika? I don't really see any arms?
    Nancy
    Nancy, I have a set of Rudyard Kipling books printed in 1924 with the same "swastika" design as on this machine. (right under the lion on the center of the bed) Actually, it is an ancient symbol, and in India (where Kipling wrote many of his books) it is a "peace and goodwill" symbol. The Nazi swastika was bent the other way....these are bent to the left.

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    Quote Originally Posted by greenini View Post
    I don't want it, lost too many relatives to the Nazi's...took me a long time to decide buying a used VW was ok.....
    It would be the same with this machine....it's NOT going to benefit the Nazis if we buy it, UNLESS the current owner is Nazi himself. (In which case he could stuff the machine as far as I'm concerned...)
    To me, it would not be out of respect for the Nazis that I'd want to own the machine, but for the historical value of it.
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    It does appear to be a Class 15 machine, but without examining it, it would be hard to know where it was made. Class 15's were made in countries other than Japan, so it could be German, or the swastika--which has been popular in many different cultures, including India--could just be incidental. The decals are unusual, but I think the seller is putting more emphasis on them than is warranted.

    Quote Originally Posted by BoJangles View Post
    I agree, I think it is a very cool looking machine, but I don't think it is that rare - maybe? Miz Johnny, Billy, or someone else on here might know? Just looking at the bed of the machine, it is exactly like my Japanese 15 Morse, even has the knob that drops the feed dogs on the bed. Except for the decals, it looks just like a Japanese clone from the 40's or 50's, with the really nice face plate. It has the spoked hand wheel that looks like it was originally a treadle?

    I agree with Charlee, I would love to own that machine, but this guy is taking bids and who knows if you really are being outbid or if the owner is just jacking the price up!

    Nancy
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    And if I had read all of Janice's post before posting myself, I could have saved you all some reading!! LOL!


    Sending out good thoughts, Melinda.
    Quote Originally Posted by jljack View Post
    Nancy, I have a set of Rudyard Kipling books printed in 1924 with the same "swastika" design as on this machine. (right under the lion on the center of the bed) Actually, it is an ancient symbol, and in India (where Kipling wrote many of his books) it is a "peace and goodwill" symbol. The Nazi swastika was bent the other way....these are bent to the left.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jljack View Post
    Nancy, I have a set of Rudyard Kipling books printed in 1924 with the same "swastika" design as on this machine. (right under the lion on the center of the bed) Actually, it is an ancient symbol, and in India (where Kipling wrote many of his books) it is a "peace and goodwill" symbol. The Nazi swastika was bent the other way....these are bent to the left.
    The machine is worth more as a "Nazi" sewing machine than as a "Peace and Goodwill" machine (lol). Seems like creative salesmanship on the seller's part.
    Jon

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    Quote Originally Posted by jljack View Post
    Nancy, I have a set of Rudyard Kipling books printed in 1924 with the same "swastika" design as on this machine. (right under the lion on the center of the bed) Actually, it is an ancient symbol, and in India (where Kipling wrote many of his books) it is a "peace and goodwill" symbol. The Nazi swastika was bent the other way....these are bent to the left.
    The swastika that is on this bed is what is seen in Asia. The earliest form dates back to India. Hitler's swastika took on the form of the earliest Indian swastika in the counter clockwise form, just minus the dots and rotated just a bit.

    This swastika is more like the ones seen in Asia which is a clockwise form. The symbol represents good luck. It can be found in India, China, South Korea, and Japan and is associated with different religions, Hinduism, Buddhism, and Jainism.
    I have seen it on Buddhist temples in Japan.

    This machine looks to be a Japanese clone- as Nancy has pointed out. Machine isn't rare, just the decals might be for here in the States.
    Most likely made for the Asian market and not the German market.
    The Coat of Arms doesn't even look German, which is a black eagle -unless your from Bavaria.

    Britain likes to use Coat of Arms with lions. Maybe one of the British territories in Asia is what is shown on this machine. Not Hong Kong since it's Coat of Arms is a lion and dragon. Don't know what Bombay's Coat of Arms had looked. I don't know, just guessing here on location.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Charlee View Post
    It would be the same with this machine....it's NOT going to benefit the Nazis if we buy it, UNLESS the current owner is Nazi himself. (In which case he could stuff the machine as far as I'm concerned...)
    To me, it would not be out of respect for the Nazis that I'd want to own the machine, but for the historical value of it.
    This symbol isn't even a Nazi symbol. Looks like the Buddhist symbol.

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    Has anyone tired to contact this person with this "Rare German" machine?
    He posted this in the CLs ad,
    "DUE TO SPAM EMAILS, PLEASE RESPOND WITH A PHONE NUMBER OR I WILL NOT RESPOND BACK,"
    And the machine says lion, while he wrote lyon.

    Like who is doing the spamming, geez.
    Last edited by vintagemotif; 12-01-2011 at 03:08 PM.

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    Did the Stock Market drop again today? Price of sewing machines went up. A White for $700.
    http://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/fuo/2730491295.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by melinda1962 View Post
    I had been working on the things for our Christmas bazaar booth, but things can change so fast. My mom went to the doctor on Tues. to have her under active thyroid checked, and try to find out what was causing weakness in her left hand. A ct scan to check for a small stroke revealed a brain tumor, that had potentially spread from lung cancer. Also in most major organs. Starting radiation today, to hopefully control the growth and pressure on her brain. If that is successful, then possibly chemo for the rest. Too widespread for surgery. We are somewhat overwhelmed but our new family motto is "make every day count" so yall keep us in your thoughts please.
    Melinda, so sorry to hear about your mom. Will keep your family in my prayers and like the thought behind the new family motto. Again, keeping y'all in my prayers. ~ Chris
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    Quote Originally Posted by melinda1962 View Post
    I had been working on the things for our Christmas bazaar booth, but things can change so fast. My mom went to the doctor on Tues. to have her under active thyroid checked, and try to find out what was causing weakness in her left hand. A ct scan to check for a small stroke revealed a brain tumor, that had potentially spread from lung cancer. Also in most major organs. Starting radiation today, to hopefully control the growth and pressure on her brain. If that is successful, then possibly chemo for the rest. Too widespread for surgery. We are somewhat overwhelmed but our new family motto is "make every day count" so yall keep us in your thoughts please.
    Sorry to hear this. With your new family motto, make every day count, may each day be special. You and your family will be in my prayers.

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    Melinda....certainly keeping you guys in our prayers.
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    So I am quilting my runners in my attempt to get acquainted with my 66-16. A funny thing keeps happening though. I've taken some pics so you can see too. To start with, when I try to bring the bobbin thread up to the top of the quilt, at least half the time the top thread pops up with no bobbin thread at all. No real rhyme or reason to it. I've had to just keep turning the wheel until a stitch finally took.

    Also, it seems like the thread keeps unraveling on itself. It starts in the take up lever and goes all the way down to the hole in the needle. Most of the time, once the thread is "thicker", you'll see in the picture, the thread breaks. Other times, it gets quilted right into the quilt and then it looks like it's skipping stitches. It's just weird. Has anyone seen this before? It's happening so often, I'm worried either something isn't right with the machine or I'm doing something wrong. I had a needle break last weekend, so I replaced it with a size 14. I've been having problems ever since. Is this one of those machines that take some kind of funky needle?

    Chunky thread next to the needle hole 1


    Chunky thread next to the needle hole 2


    Skipped stitches and the thick thread mess it left behind:


    This is what it looks like after the thread breaks and I get it all out of the machine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by melinda1962 View Post
    I had been working on the things for our Christmas bazaar booth, but things can change so fast. My mom went to the doctor on Tues. to have her under active thyroid checked, and try to find out what was causing weakness in her left hand. A ct scan to check for a small stroke revealed a brain tumor, that had potentially spread from lung cancer. Also in most major organs. Starting radiation today, to hopefully control the growth and pressure on her brain. If that is successful, then possibly chemo for the rest. Too widespread for surgery. We are somewhat overwhelmed but our new family motto is "make every day count" so yall keep us in your thoughts please.
    I'm so sorry to hear this sad news...with my older brother's tumor they were very late in getting Hospice involved. If your mother needs it make sure they get involved early enough to help make a difference. You're in my thoughts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Charlee View Post
    It would be the same with this machine....it's NOT going to benefit the Nazis if we buy it, UNLESS the current owner is Nazi himself. (In which case he could stuff the machine as far as I'm concerned...)
    To me, it would not be out of respect for the Nazis that I'd want to own the machine, but for the historical value of it.
    I understand that and realize it wouldn't be support of the Nazi's just don't want that symbol in my home! And I gotta admit I never got a good look at it and do realize that the Nazi's perverted a symbol that had been out in civilizations for years...
    Last edited by greenini; 12-01-2011 at 05:56 PM.

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