aliaslaceygreen

You asked, I answered. I didn't call you out.

I am not willing to make more of this than it is---With your background, you understand perfectly about attribution.

There have been instances where quilters have neglected to say they worked from a kit/pattern and have gone home with the ribbon, despite the rules stating otherwise. (No, I don't have a link. I recall reading about it on other lists long ago.)

peace.
:D

nancya

You and McCalls are referring to a "patent", a whole different critter than a copyright. Copyright is just like I said in my previous post, a patent, if someone wants to spend the money and can actually get one, doesnot follow the same rules.

patricej

and we were doing so well. :roll:

yes, please.

peace. throw in some love, happiness, puppies and balloons.

now somebody start a chorus of Kumbaya and pass me the s'mores.

:lol:

thismomquilts

I, officially, do not want to quilt ever again... seriously - if I have to be so afraid of breaking some law because of BUYING a pattern, not matter the source, and making sure I DO NOT copy and sell or give away (which I never do or will) but have to worry about someone seeing the quilt I too the time and effort and money to make and wanting to buy it... good grief...

ginnyk

It is obvious that this is a forum of people with exceptional quilting and intellectual ability. Maybe this is a nudge for all of us to brush up our creative skills, perhaps take a design class or two, and then be able to own our work completely. With a little training and EQ, we all have the ability to shine based on our own accomplishments and the satisfaction of knowing we owe nothing to anyone! Who knows, with this group of great minds, maybe this could release a whole new paradigm in design.

I admit that this thread has inspired me to take my own advice. I have taken a couple of classes in designing spirals and am starting one in bargello design. It is truly a joy to see a finished creation that started from scratch just out of my head and heart. The miracle is that your own design will look as good as any one else's and will truly be unique to you. (Kind of like our kids.)

pam1966

Here is my take and what I think in a nutshell. (Yes, my brain is so tiny it can fit in there too.) If I am wrong please correct me, I want to understand this.

As long as you are not SELLING a quilt, a bag, etc. that you have purchased the pattern for it's okay. And you can sell such items if the pattern maker is alright with it. But if the pattern maker states that you cannot sell items you make from their patterns, that is covered under copyright.

If you use a pattern and enter a quilt in a show, it depends upon the venue whether or not they require you to specify whose pattern you are using. I would think it would be obviously wrong to claim someone else's pattern as your own. But making a quilt from a pattern and showing it is okay.

Where am I right/wrong?

patricej

well, pam, as you may have noticed already, you'll get conflicting answers from a number of sources who consider themselves experts.

the law itself isn't really all that confusing. it's all the differing opinions that muddy up the waters.

some pattern makers have successfully bullied buyers into believing they can dictate what's done with the finished product. nearly everything i've read from credible sources says that what you make using a pattern is yours to do with as you please.

most of us agree that, without or without the law, it's always a best practice to give credit to the designer.

AbbyQuilts

I think you need to figure out what you want to do
Whats morally right or legally right. You can do both as well.

Morally you should respect the wishes of what others ask. Its just a simple curtsy.
Legally well thats what we have been discussing and as others have said its confusing and even attorneys can argue for each side and sound convincing.
I believe and I am not expert. That when you buy a pattern it is yours to do with as you want with the finish item.
You should not copy the pattern and sell that or give that away.
You also should not claim the design as your own.
As far as showing you have to follow the shows rules.

nancya

As long as your are not making copies of the pattern itself and distributing them you are within the law.

What you do with the product you make from that pattern is up to you. You can do anything you want with a product you make from that pattern; sell it, give it away whatever. A copyright does NOT cover an item that is made from a pattern.

knlsmith

VIRGINA SMITH: Love your last name, by the way. LOL

I love your comment. I would LOVE to have a version of EQ, but alas, I cannot spend the money on it. Daughter starts college in 3 weeks and needs a new tire for my car so she can drive it ($160 and takes 2 weeks to get when ordered)

I started this thread because I was so completely SICK of the "Nice Guy" finishing last. I went thru the trouble, cost, and effort to get permission from a designer to sell an item (whether I legally needed it or not who knows) and then someone I know in my area, who knew what I had done, started trying to sell the same thing without any attempt at getting permission. AND not even crediting the designer with the idea. Fortunately, their quality was NOT even in the same planet as mine. (evil snicker)


I am not trying to make a mint, Like I said before, I enjoy sewing/quilting, and each time I sell something I spend the money on more fabric or something to do with sewing/quilting.

And I will continue to ask any designers if they care if I sell items made from there patterns and give credit where credit is due. I feel that is the right thing to do and I can sleep at night.

I am so gald to see all the comments and questions on this thread. i really feel this has been the best copyright thread we have all made on this thread.