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Thread: Janome Horizon - HELP!

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    Okay, I admit it! I am thoroughly intimidated by my Horizon!! I've had it for three months and barely touched it. I keep coming up with reasons why I can't use it "right now". Prior to this purchase, I was using a very simple and straightforward Brother. I find myself wishing the 7700 didn't have all those feet and stitches and would just stick to what I wanted it for - the huge throat, piecing, and quilting. I do not now or EVER want to make buttonholes.

    Today, I finally made up my mind I have to overcome this. I have done a few sandwiches to practice FMQ and that's improved a little bit but today, I decided to move forward with a small quilt that is ready to go. So I did a little practice run and then I put in thread and bobbin suitable for the quilt and started another practice run - the back is eyelashing like crazy. I rethreaded the machine (BTW the thread seems to fray and break a lot) and reloaded the bobbin. Same thing. I have done it three times now and am ready to cry in frustration.

    I have used Leah Day's suggestion on machine settings - which is to use the Supreme Slider, leave the feed dogs alone, D1 setting, Stitch Length 0, QVH Foot, and Needle Down. And that's another thing - for awhile the needle always stopped in the down position - now sometimes it does and sometimes it doesn't.

    It's probably pilot error here but I'm ready to start making boat anchors rather than quilts.

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    I don't have a Horizon, but I had considered it. Have you joined the free yahoo group? It's a very friendly, helpful, active forum, with a few professional quilters and educators as well. I'm sure they could help. Don't get too discouraged, it's supposed to be a great machine. I hope it starts working smoothly for you soon.

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    Hi,

    I recently bought a Horizon too and was just as frustrated as you seem to be. I went and sat down at the dealer for a quick lesson and learned sooooo much. To FMQ all I do is drop the feed dogs and change to the free motion foot and it works great. I just finished FMQ a small quilt and had no trouble at all. I know it is not what Leah Day suggests and I am sure she knows way more than I do but this works for me. Hope you solve your problem soon because it really is a great machine once you get the hang of it. Let us know what works for you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maia B
    I don't have a Horizon, but I had considered it. Have you joined the free yahoo group? It's a very friendly, helpful, active forum, with a few professional quilters and educators as well. I'm sure they could help. Don't get too discouraged, it's supposed to be a great machine. I hope it starts working smoothly for you soon.
    Actually, I posted this exact same message to the Janome Group over two hours ago but the Yahoo Group apparently isn't working for me either as the message has yet to show up. I figured I would at least get some responses here.

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    Maybe go back to the dealer for some lessons? My Janome dealer is always willing to help with problems and go over the machine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Luv Quilts and Cats
    Maybe go back to the dealer for some lessons? My Janome dealer is always willing to help with problems and go over the machine.
    I'm definitely going to have to do that. Not looking forward to hauling my machine 50 miles to the dealer, though. :(

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    Quote Originally Posted by sparkys_mom
    Okay, I admit it! I am thoroughly intimidated by my Horizon!!
    I feel the same way about my serger.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AlwaysQuilting
    Quote Originally Posted by sparkys_mom
    Okay, I admit it! I am thoroughly intimidated by my Horizon!!
    I feel the same way about my serger.
    Yes, I'm beginning to think I should have stuck with a simpler machine.

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    I have the Horizon too and have never had the thread break or have any other kind of tension issues. I would start from the beginning again, new needle, re thread with a different thread maybe and give it a go on your practice sandwich. It FMQ's like a dream so don't give up on it, make sure your presser foot is down.
    Is your needle down light on? If it is and the needle isn't stopping in the down position, I would take it back and get the store to look at it for you.
    It is a beautiful machine and well worth getting used to, if the store you bought it from offers free lessons, I would take them up on the offer, it will make using it so much easier. I also had a little Brother before this big machine so it is a lot of getting used to

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    Right size & type needle for the thread & fabric?
    Good, strong thread--no fuzzies, brittleness, thick/thin slubs?
    Bobbins wound smoothly and not too full or lopsided and inserted correctly?
    Presser foot pressure set to 0?
    Top thread tension set looser than normal?
    Feed dogs down?
    Presser foot down? My machine won't sew with it up.

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    If it's anything like the 6600 ( and from what I've seen and heard they're very, very simialr close) you have to start in the needle down position to end in the needle down position.

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    I don't know about the Horizon, except I wish I had one, but are you pulling the bobbin thread to the top and holding both thread ends to start? Maybe you don't have to do this on the Horizon, but on my Bernina it's a must.

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    Your dealer didn't include a few lessons with the sale? Most do. It's really important to take a series of getting to know your machine classes to be able to make the most of your purchase.

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    Don't be intimidated by it; it is only a machine. Forget about all the stuff it can do for now and concentrate on making it do what YOU want it to do.

    Try sewing on a single piece of folded cloth. If everything is OK when you do - tension is OK, stitches look good, no puckers, then it is probably operator error. If you are still having eye lashing and thread breakage, reseat your bobbin. It sounds like you may have it in upside down.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sewgray
    I don't know about the Horizon, except I wish I had one, but are you pulling the bobbin thread to the top and holding both thread ends to start? Maybe you don't have to do this on the Horizon, but on my Bernina it's a must.
    Right about now I'd sell you one cheap. :hunf:

    To answer some of the suggestions: I'm using Superior's King Tut thread and the recommended needle. The bobbins are identical on both sides so don't see how I could have one upside down. The machine won't sew if the presser foot isn't down. I did try to switch to the DS1 setting for FMQ which is what they have in the instruction book and then it REALLY growled at me!

    I decided to leave it for the day and try some piecing. That, at least, has gone well enough. No problems with tension or shredding thread. And it always stops with the needle down! I do have to get used to the 1/4" foot as it has a little fabric guide on the side that I don't like. Someone gave me a 1/4" foot for the Brother like that and I don't like it, either, but I have another 1/4" foot without the guide and do much better with it. Since the one I have is the only option for the Horizon, I'll just have to figure out where to set the needle to get an accurate seam.

    The dealer said he gives free classes but there are no scheduled classes. You just have to request it. I've taught many a computer class and I know there is a big difference between people who are experienced and know what to ask and those who don't so I'm hoping this won't turn out to be one of those where they just ask what do you want to know. :?

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    I have a Horizon and have practiced FMQ with good results. I followed the instructions in the manual.

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    I will buy it cheap....my GF works for a Janome dealer and does the lessons!

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    I have a Horizon. I have only had my thread break for two reasons, bad/wrong needle or a tiny piece of thread stuck in the machine I love mine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by seamstome
    I will buy it cheap....my GF works for a Janome dealer and does the lessons!
    Are there formal lesson plans that Janome requires? My dealer has been less than forthcoming about this.

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    First of all...check and make sure your needle is in correctly; then rethread. I have the Horizon and have never had a thread issue with it. Sounds like it is just user error.
    As for sewing, it is just a machine like any other. You can use it as simply as you chose. Your dealer should be willing to help you with any issues you are having if they want to stay in business.
    Good luck and hope you can figure out the bugs...it is well worth it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vicki W
    I have a Horizon. I have only had my thread break for two reasons, bad/wrong needle or a tiny piece of thread stuck in the machine I love mine.
    This was actually shredding. I had done a couple of sandwiches earlier with the same thread and had no problem. Just today it was cranky.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mamaw
    First of all...check and make sure your needle is in correctly; then rethread. I have the Horizon and have never had a thread issue with it. Sounds like it is just user error.
    As for sewing, it is just a machine like any other. You can use it as simply as you chose. Your dealer should be willing to help you with any issues you are having if they want to stay in business.
    Good luck and hope you can figure out the bugs...it is well worth it!
    I know everyone seems to love it and I really want to!

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    Quote Originally Posted by sparkys_mom
    Quote Originally Posted by seamstome
    I will buy it cheap....my GF works for a Janome dealer and does the lessons!
    Are there formal lesson plans that Janome requires? My dealer has been less than forthcoming about this.
    That's a good question...I don't know. Bernina requires dealers to give classes. I did receive classes with my Janome but they're a great dealership. I would imagine Janome does require some sort of education with their machines. It may be a question you can start for another thread?

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    I don't have the Horizon but thread shredding usually means bad
    needle...either wrong size or just a bad needle. To check if the needle
    is the right size for your thread, hold the needle in your hand and thread
    it then hold each end of the thread and see if it slides. If it sticks
    you'll know you need a needle with a slightly bigger hole.
    Hope you can sort this out. I wouldn't give my business to that dealer again
    if he is so unwilling to help.

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    I'm sorry - I didn't make myself clear about the bobbin. What I should have said was it seems like the thread is coming off the bobbin in the wrong direction. Instead of from the top it is coming from the bottom of the bobbin or vice versa depending on your machine instructions.

    If you look at your bobbin like a clock face, the thread end should be at the right of the bobbin at 12:00 position. If it is upside down the thread end would be at the 6:00 position. I know, clear as mud.

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