Not to keep stirring the pot, but....
08-28-2010, 09:06 PM
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Originally Posted by C.Cal Quilt Girl
Many valid points above !!
Let me throw a rock in the pot !! Have paid for internet services, and it seems like very little is private if on line, Many patterns are years old, the work and effort should count for something, are painters under the same CR for painting a blade of grass.
OK out my spoon comes.
Let me throw a rock in the pot !! Have paid for internet services, and it seems like very little is private if on line, Many patterns are years old, the work and effort should count for something, are painters under the same CR for painting a blade of grass.
OK out my spoon comes.
I think Magazines copyright the material in the mag for the express purpose that they may not be massed produced by some company or the patterns copied and sold. I don't think they mean that you can't make to selll the product or give away.
08-28-2010, 09:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Conniequilts
This will tick lots of people off I am sure (and I apologize ahead of time).
Can any of you, who have copyrighted your patterns, prove you have NOT ever repeated a naturally created pattern from someone back in the 1800's? Before copyright laws existed?
If you can't, then how can you copyright it, how can you call it original?. It is not someone else's work and you are "stealing" credit from them?
Are you calling it original because you took "their" original blocks and placed them in a differnt order?
I don't know, I'm sure someone is now angry with me and wants to argue and I apologize, but am thinking nothing is original cuz it all started WAY BACK WHEN.
Just my right or wrong thoughts again, don't hate me :(
Can any of you, who have copyrighted your patterns, prove you have NOT ever repeated a naturally created pattern from someone back in the 1800's? Before copyright laws existed?
If you can't, then how can you copyright it, how can you call it original?. It is not someone else's work and you are "stealing" credit from them?
Are you calling it original because you took "their" original blocks and placed them in a differnt order?
I don't know, I'm sure someone is now angry with me and wants to argue and I apologize, but am thinking nothing is original cuz it all started WAY BACK WHEN.
Just my right or wrong thoughts again, don't hate me :(
You're entitled to say as much as anybody here. It is good to put things on the table and clear them up if we don't understand and nobody should get mad..this is how we learn.
08-28-2010, 09:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Emma S
Sorry guys. Read all of the posts and the articles sited still can't figure it out. I understand why a teacher using someone elses pattern should get the permission of the designer before using it in a class but what about say posting a picture on this web site. Would I have to get the designers written permission? Would just naming her book, much like a footnote in a thesis, satify any legal obligation?
08-28-2010, 09:23 PM
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Originally Posted by lclang
When I see that copyright statement in any magazine I will drop my subscription and go back to my own library of books and do as I please. When the original maker of the quilt sells it to a magazine they have made their money. When the quilt magazine sells the copy, they have made their money. If I am not allowed to sell anything I make from their patterns I will not be paying for the expensive subscriptions any more. I think the subscriptions are ridiculously expensive anyway considering that you only get 5-6 copies a year and most of them do not have anything in them that I want to make anyway.
08-28-2010, 09:35 PM
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There has not been one quilt pattern I have wanted that I can't find how to make it online. The instructions how to make a quilt pattern are not copyrighted. If you want to buy a pattern the designer thinks is so fantastic all she wants you to do is buy the pattern not actually use it, then buy it. Search out tutorials, you tube, blogs, and find the how to make it free.
08-29-2010, 03:26 AM
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...never took the time to read referenced statement on the magazines & now will do so today! Thanks....I knew I needed a solid reason not to renew the many subscriptions I have!!!
08-29-2010, 04:20 AM
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I have an idea: Why don't we all collect pictures of old quilts (more than 50 years old) and then prove to those 'designers' how they have stolen their designs themselves. They don't pay any royalties to the families who are responsible for it that quilting is still such a popular and beautiful art.
08-29-2010, 04:32 AM
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So! The BEST thing to do is to NOT buy ANYMORE magazines, or books, or the free patterns out there and design our own???? Why are they published then?? It is too confusing to me. If the sales go down, I am sure that this will all change!
08-29-2010, 04:32 AM
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Originally Posted by 2ursula
I have an idea: Why don't we all collect pictures of old quilts (more than 50 years old) and then prove to those 'designers' how they have stolen their designs themselves. They don't pay any royalties to the families who are responsible for it that quilting is still such a popular and beautiful art.
08-29-2010, 04:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Conniequilts
I don't generally weigh in on topics like this but it has been consistent and confusing.
This is my view point (right or wrong) - I have paid for the pattern so what I make with it is my business and what I do with it after that is my business.
I understand I should not re-sell the pattern and especially not for a profit. I also have no problem with respecting not copying it and sharing it with others.
I strongly believe their control over a quilt should END with the purchasing of the pattern.
Just my thoughts ;)
This is my view point (right or wrong) - I have paid for the pattern so what I make with it is my business and what I do with it after that is my business.
I understand I should not re-sell the pattern and especially not for a profit. I also have no problem with respecting not copying it and sharing it with others.
I strongly believe their control over a quilt should END with the purchasing of the pattern.
Just my thoughts ;)
I am on a designer's forum where this issue comes up frequently. I have stated several times that I think it's the heighth of arrogance for me to sell a pattern for $10 or $15, and then (after someone spends up to $100 or more for fabric, a week or more cutting and piecing, then another $200 to $500 for backing, batting, and longarm work) tell them that the $15 or less they spent for my pattern should determine whether or not they can show or sell something in which they have invested hundreds of dollars and sometimes a hundred or more hours
By the way, the avatar to the left of this message is a copy of an 1830 quilt. I asked and got permission from the University to replicate the quilt in their collection.
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