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    Does anyone else have one of these?

    I looked on the net, and this is the closest I could find to the Gritzner Durlach hand crank sewing machine I got yesterday. Mine is in much better condition than this one. I don't have chipped paint on mine, but I think this shows the Mother of Pearl in the center of the machine and what mine looks like. Wish I could post pictures of mine.

    http://www.ebay.com/itm/ANTIQUE-GRIT...item2329a71be1

    Does anyone have any information as to what needle it takes?
    Thanks, Janis

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    Dear all,

    I just wonder if anyone know this riccar sewing machine model? its only have thalhimer emblem on the front

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    the sewing machine still work fine, my mother-in-law had it since 1974 and passed it to me.
    I'll try to search in the Internet to locate the model but have no luck.
    I need to know all the feature from this sewing machine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Janis View Post
    I looked on the net, and this is the closest I could find to the Gritzner Durlach hand crank sewing machine I got yesterday. Mine is in much better condition than this one. I don't have chipped paint on mine, but I think this shows the Mother of Pearl in the center of the machine and what mine looks like. Wish I could post pictures of mine.

    http://www.ebay.com/itm/ANTIQUE-GRIT...item2329a71be1

    Does anyone have any information as to what needle it takes?
    Thanks, Janis
    Does Ismacs have a chart?
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    Quote Originally Posted by suci View Post
    Dear all,

    I just wonder if anyone know this riccar sewing machine model? its only have thalhimer emblem on the front

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    the sewing machine still work fine, my mother-in-law had it since 1974 and passed it to me.
    I'll try to search in the Internet to locate the model but have no luck.
    I need to know all the feature from this sewing machine.

    regards
    Suci
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    It is a fancy stitch badged machine. The knob on the left is the stitch selector - to the right might be for width and the one below would be for length. You will have to do trial and error. Here is a link for other fancy stitch machines.
    http://www.quiltingboard.com/vintage...s-t207880.html
    and here is a link for the zz badged machines:
    http://www.quiltingboard.com/vintage...s-t207877.html
    NEVER let a sewing machine know you are in a hurry.
    good mothers let you lick the beaters - great mothers turn it off first

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    Quote Originally Posted by miriam View Post
    Does Ismacs have a chart?
    It looks a lot like the Winselmann that I have here. My Winselmann takes a class 12x1 needle. If you ever find a good source for the needles, I'd like to hear about it. I find them online sometimes, but they're really expensive (somewhere in the "a few to several dollars each" range) The needle it came with is dull, and bent, but it sews very nicely after about 8 hours of work I did on it when I got it home. LOL! I pieced my first "quilted" project on it. Log cabin pin cushions.

    I've heard that you can sharpen the needles, I may figure out what's involved with that one day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ArchaicArcane View Post
    It looks a lot like the Winselmann that I have here. My Winselmann takes a class 12x1 needle. If you ever find a good source for the needles, I'd like to hear about it. I find them online sometimes, but they're really expensive (somewhere in the "a few to several dollars each" range) The needle it came with is dull, and bent, but it sews very nicely after about 8 hours of work I did on it when I got it home. LOL! I pieced my first "quilted" project on it. Log cabin pin cushions.

    I've heard that you can sharpen the needles, I may figure out what's involved with that one day.
    Thanks Miriam and Tammi, I did look on ISMAC and read through all 12 pages on the needles. On page 37, I found Gritzner Familien and Gritzner Rotary. The Familien takes 12x1 and the Rotary takes 16x1. I'm thinking it heeds the Familien. Now to see if my OSMG has the needles and also the tire for the bobbin winding. I'll call him tomorrow.
    Anyone that has information on where to get the needles, etc., your help is wanted and needed! Thanks.

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    Janis,

    If your machine has the slides plates like the eBay listing, yours is a TS (transverse shuttle). All TSs take a 12x1 needle. AND most German TSs will work with the common industrial DBX1 needle.

    Remember that the TSs do not have a needle stop for depth. Place the needle oriented the correct way (usually with the long groove facing forward), push it up to where you know its too high and clamp itt down lightly. Turn the hand wheel towards you until the timing mark (an etched horizontal line on the top left of the needlebar) is just entering the casting. Now loosen and lower the needle until the eye is just entering the needle plate. Your needle is now set properly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Janis View Post
    Thanks Miriam and Tammi, I did look on ISMAC and read through all 12 pages on the needles. On page 37, I found Gritzner Familien and Gritzner Rotary. The Familien takes 12x1 and the Rotary takes 16x1. I'm thinking it heeds the Familien. Now to see if my OSMG has the needles and also the tire for the bobbin winding. I'll call him tomorrow.
    Anyone that has information on where to get the needles, etc., your help is wanted and needed! Thanks.
    Cathy

    "Most sewing machine problems are due to the carbon based unit in the chair in front of the machine"

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    Wow Cathy! Thanks for this information. The poor Winselmann had been resigned to being a show piece, but I actually have 4 packs of DBx1 needles here that came with an Elna that I bought. I will have to try that out the next time I spend some time in the sewing room!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ArchaicArcane View Post
    I've heard that you can sharpen the needles, I may figure out what's involved with that one day.
    My Wheeler & Wilson No.8 has a needle sharpener, round honing stone, attached to the frame that is operated by the treadle belt. So I am sure that our very thrifty ancestors did sharpen their needles. I am wondering if a fishhook sharpener would work to sharpen needles?
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    Yes, I have done it. I have a fishhook sharpener that I have used to remove burs. I twirl the needle as I draw the tip along the groove of the sharpener. Works very well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Caroline S View Post
    My Wheeler & Wilson No.8 has a needle sharpener, round honing stone, attached to the frame that is operated by the treadle belt. So I am sure that our very thrifty ancestors did sharpen their needles. I am wondering if a fishhook sharpener would work to sharpen needles?
    Cathy

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    If your machine has the slides plates like the eBay listing, yours is a TS (transverse shuttle). All TSs take a 12x1 needle. AND most German TSs will work with the common industrial DBX1 needle.

    Cathy, My machine looks like the e-bay listing, but in much better condition. I can get the left slide plate open, but the others are stuck. I oiled them, but think I might need to add a little force or some hair dryer heat to them to get them open. Is it necessary to have them open anyway?
    Where can I get the industrial DBX1 needles? Thanks a lot for the information. Today I noticed that there is no stop on the casing. I think that my needle needs to be threaded from the left as that's where the last thread holder is on the needle clamp. Now after getting the needles, I need to figure out how to thread it. You have been a great help! This place is the best for asking for help and getting it!

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    Janis,

    The tiny front slide plate is never removed. The right plate should move. if you must use force, try tapping on it using a hammer against a wood dowel.
    The shuttle passes behind the needle, so do orient the needle with the long groove to the front. This will allow the thread loop to form on the back of the needle where the shuttle can pick it up.

    The DBX1 should be available from your local repair shop. Occasionally I have seen them in quilt shop listed as for sergers. They are AKA 16X231, 16X87, 16X257. I do have these if you can't find them locally. I prefer the Organ brand because the shank is skinnier than the Schmetz.

    Cathy

    Quote Originally Posted by Janis View Post
    If your machine has the slides plates like the eBay listing, yours is a TS (transverse shuttle). All TSs take a 12x1 needle. AND most German TSs will work with the common industrial DBX1 needle.

    Cathy, My machine looks like the e-bay listing, but in much better condition. I can get the left slide plate open, but the others are stuck. I oiled them, but think I might need to add a little force or some hair dryer heat to them to get them open. Is it necessary to have them open anyway?
    Where can I get the industrial DBX1 needles? Thanks a lot for the information. Today I noticed that there is no stop on the casing. I think that my needle needs to be threaded from the left as that's where the last thread holder is on the needle clamp. Now after getting the needles, I need to figure out how to thread it. You have been a great help! This place is the best for asking for help and getting it!
    Cathy

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    "The DBX1 should be available from your local repair shop. Occasionally I have seen them in quilt shop listed as for sergers. They are AKA 16X231, 16X87, 16X257. I do have these if you can't find them locally. I prefer the Organ brand because the shank is skinnier than the Schmetz."

    I will look for the Organ brand. Today I had gone to a repair shop/quilt store after calling to see if they had the size 12 needles. The woman pulled out some 15x1 needles that had the 12 on the bottom of the package. I tried them anyway, and they were too fat to fit into my slit in the needle holder. Of course, I was trying to put the curved side either out or all the way in, so it would be too fat. Maybe the Schmetz needle shank would have fit if I'd tried putting it in the right way. Would have been the wrong needle anyway. A wasted trip, to say the least, as the repair guy was not there today to help in any way.
    I really appreciate your sharing your knowledge in what I need to do to make my machine really work rather than to have it as a toy hand crank that didn't sew, but i could crank it all I wanted and get nowhere.

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    Hey Janis,

    The 12 on the 15x1 needles the lady pulled out was the size of the needle, not the type. You're looking for a "type" of needle. If they try to sell you a needle clearly labeled as a 15x1 as a 12x1, go talk to someone else in the store. That's like trying to put a car tire on a truck. Yes, they use similar numbers, but they're not for the same usage.

    Cathy, thanks for the clarification on the aliases of the DBx1 needles. I have 4 packages of Groz-Beckert needles here, they have all sorts of numbers on them but no DBx1 so I thought I would have to order some, but they did say: 135x7, 134, 135x5, 1738, 16x257(which told me they may work), 16x231, SY 1955, 797, Sy1901, Sy 1903, DPx7.

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    Tammi,

    The DBX1 needle and the others can usually be interchanged. The differences are in the size/ diameter of the shank, whether or not there is a scar, or style of the tip. For example the 16X87 does not have a scarf so it is only used in straight stitch machines, never zig zag machines.

    Quote Originally Posted by ArchaicArcane View Post
    Hey Janis,

    The 12 on the 15x1 needles the lady pulled out was the size of the needle, not the type. You're looking for a "type" of needle. If they try to sell you a needle clearly labeled as a 15x1 as a 12x1, go talk to someone else in the store. That's like trying to put a car tire on a truck. Yes, they use similar numbers, but they're not for the same usage.

    Cathy, thanks for the clarification on the aliases of the DBx1 needles. I have 4 packages of Groz-Beckert needles here, they have all sorts of numbers on them but no DBx1 so I thought I would have to order some, but they did say: 135x7, 134, 135x5, 1738, 16x257(which told me they may work), 16x231, SY 1955, 797, Sy1901, Sy 1903, DPx7.
    Cathy

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    Thanks Cathy! These Industrial needles are completely new to me. So for the $3 it's going to cost me to order 10 needles, I might as well just order the DBx1 and be done with it.

    It looks like some brother sergers use the DBx1 system, which is good, it means a brother dealer should stock them for a fast "fix" if I'm in the city.

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    Tammi,


    Try one of those Groz-Beckert needles that you already have. Just pick out the brand with the smallest shank diameter. The slimmer the shank, the better it will fit in the needlebar clamp.

    Cathy

    Quote Originally Posted by ArchaicArcane View Post
    Thanks Cathy! These Industrial needles are completely new to me. So for the $3 it's going to cost me to order 10 needles, I might as well just order the DBx1 and be done with it.

    It looks like some brother sergers use the DBx1 system, which is good, it means a brother dealer should stock them for a fast "fix" if I'm in the city.
    Cathy

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    Ha! Now I remember. I did try this when I found the needles in the cabinet. The shank is too big, even on the smallest one. They're terribly big needles anyway - 125/20, so I will just order a packet, I can get a mixed packet of size 70 - 90 pretty easily to play with.

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    I went to a LSMG today and asked if he had the needles that I needed, thanks to Cathy for listing the size could use instead of the 12x1. He brought out what he had and said they were 35 cents each. Rather than to have to make another trip there another time, about 30 miles one way, and he just might not be reordering them again, ( I was going to that town for something else anyway) I bought all 16 that he had left. $5.99 including tax for them. I'm happy to report that they are also Organ brand like Cathy suggested I get. Haven't tried them yet, but will tomorrow. I want to try filling my bobbin first as I don't think there is any way I can stop the needle's action when filling a bobbin. Will be my first time at filling one by crank. I also have to figure out how to thread the machine.....

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    Thanks to Cathy, Mizkaki, I got the needles that would work in my Gritzner hand crank, and attempted to put them in like she said to last night. I didn't find a line on the needle bar, but brought the needle down a bit where I thought it might be OK. I tried turning the crank s.l.o.w.l.y and nothing caught or made a bad noise, so I thought it might be OK. Tonight I figured out how to wind the shuttle bobbin and with a couple of tries of how to get the thread in the right place. Next was to thread the machine, not too much of a problem as it was very simple to do, and I did it the first time. I attempted to sew..... this little machine makes the cutest sounds when sewing... and I saw stitches, but the tension was to loose on the top and the stitch was to close. After figuring out what I needed to fix them, I sewed again......SUCCESS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! My little old hand crank machine makes a wonderful stitch!!!
    Thank you Cathy, Tammi, Miriam, and Caroline for all of your help in getting my little $25.00 machine to work.
    Janis

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    Janis,

    Great job. I knew you could do it. Those little TSs make the neatest little ticking sound. I just love my TSs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Janis View Post
    Thanks to Cathy, Mizkaki, I got the needles that would work in my Gritzner hand crank, and attempted to put them in like she said to last night. I didn't find a line on the needle bar, but brought the needle down a bit where I thought it might be OK. I tried turning the crank s.l.o.w.l.y and nothing caught or made a bad noise, so I thought it might be OK. Tonight I figured out how to wind the shuttle bobbin and with a couple of tries of how to get the thread in the right place. Next was to thread the machine, not too much of a problem as it was very simple to do, and I did it the first time. I attempted to sew..... this little machine makes the cutest sounds when sewing... and I saw stitches, but the tension was to loose on the top and the stitch was to close. After figuring out what I needed to fix them, I sewed again......SUCCESS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! My little old hand crank machine makes a wonderful stitch!!!
    Thank you Cathy, Tammi, Miriam, and Caroline for all of your help in getting my little $25.00 machine to work.
    Janis
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    Yeah!! Congrats!!! Now we need to see a pic....

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    Unfortunately I can't post pictures on the net, but I can send you one. I'm just thrilled that I can really sew with the little machine. It does make just the cutest ticking sound, just like music to my ear now that I can actually sew with it. It took me a couple of stops to find the needles that I needed for it, and thanks to Cathy's help with what would work rather than getting the 12x1 needles, I can sew as much as I want with it. My hubby thought it would just be something to show and play with. Now I can really do something with it. Now I would like to see if I can find about how old it really is.

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    I find the act of hand cranking to be really relaxing, especially with the neat noise that the transverse shuttles and the vibrating shuttles make.

    The German machines can be quite a bit more difficult to find information on. I still don't have an actual model name for my Winselmann. I'll be interested in hearing what you find out.

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    I FINALLY found the mark on the needle bar!!!!! I was looking at the bottom of the needle bar above where the needle goes, and just now decided to look at the part that sticks out the top of the machine and I found it there!!! Now I know where to look.

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