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nanna (Jean)
Ok Cathy as much as I love you and your knowledge I have to differ with the 'reproduction' or 'nostalgic' terms. I couldn't sleep last night and thought about the two terms. The 'nostalgic' does have a certain romantic notion, but to me does not describe those machines so I looked up the meaning of both terms.
Reproduce, reproduction, means the process of making a copy of something . . . . made by reproducing an original, copy, duplicate . . . etc.
Nostalgic mean a sentimental or wishful yearning for the happiness felt in a former time, place, or situation . . . a sentimental longing for the past, typically for a period or place with happy personal associations.
I know all of us could probably use either term to describe those machines that are copies of the original Singers, but to me they will always be a reproduced copy. I can't think of them as nostalgic, even though that term does sound much nicer!
Cathy you are just such a sweet person, you want the nice term used, but is it really the correct term?
Nancy
Reproduce, reproduction, means the process of making a copy of something . . . . made by reproducing an original, copy, duplicate . . . etc.
Nostalgic mean a sentimental or wishful yearning for the happiness felt in a former time, place, or situation . . . a sentimental longing for the past, typically for a period or place with happy personal associations.
I know all of us could probably use either term to describe those machines that are copies of the original Singers, but to me they will always be a reproduced copy. I can't think of them as nostalgic, even though that term does sound much nicer!
Cathy you are just such a sweet person, you want the nice term used, but is it really the correct term?
Nancy
Nancy
Oh Cathy, I just thought of something - how about a compromise! We will call those machines a "duplicate" of an original Singer!
Last edited by BoJangles; 10-16-2012 at 06:18 AM.
Nancy
Yes, Monica I remember this machine. My first clue that your machine was a 'later' model is the placement of the serial number! Yes, Cathy, I did see the plastic feed dog drop knob too - yes a 3rd clue for me always! Thank you Monica for explaining the different bobbin winders using your machine! Great example of a 'later' model of the original! Monica, I am curious does your machine say made in Taiwan? It is too bad my friend didn't see that! She is so disappointed that her HC is a reproduction model of the original - she is especially disappointed that it wasn't even made here in this country, much less the original real deal.
Nancy
Nancy
Nancy, you state that she has a HC to this machine. I see a portion of it in the picture. That HC is much better than the HC I have to my machine. Is the HC handle wood or plastic? Another plus to that machine is that it came with a nice HC. How much are Singer HC going for these days on Ebay? She could always swap the wheel and HC onto another machine for use. I know you don't like to do that since you like to keep all original parts on each machine. But let us just look at it as an big IF she wants a spoked wheel and HC on a different machine for a period of time. They are easy to swap back and forth. I have done this with mine numerous times.
As to made in this country, hmmm, that is a matter of interests. I have numerous Singer machines made in different parts of the world, Great Britain and Taiwan, just happened that way. I wasn't on a hunt to find x machine made in x country.
Her machine came in a very nice box with lid. The cost and time just to make that is worth that extra $40.
Her HC is so much nicer than mine. Her HC is worth some money and the spoked wheel. As I stated, I don't know the ebay rates for these items today.
She could also look at the machine as the odd duckling. It has a tattoo that is a wee bit loud with some coloring- goes with the fashions of today.
Nancy, I looked all over the machine for a marking stating made in Taiwan, but I don't see one. This is a photo of the underside for you. All metal with Singer stamped parts. You can see the serial # ND976655 stamped into the machine. I looked that number up back in 2010; back then, the Singer's list stated that it was made in Taichung Taiwan.
Nancy, you state that she has a HC to this machine. I see a portion of it in the picture. That HC is much better than the HC I have to my machine. Is the HC handle wood or plastic? Another plus to that machine is that it came with a nice HC. How much are Singer HC going for these days on Ebay? She could always swap the wheel and HC onto another machine for use. I know you don't like to do that since you like to keep all original parts on each machine. But let us just look at it as an big IF she wants a spoked wheel and HC on a different machine for a period of time. They are easy to swap back and forth. I have done this with mine numerous times.
As to made in this country, hmmm, that is a matter of interests. I have numerous Singer machines made in different parts of the world, Great Britain and Taiwan, just happened that way. I wasn't on a hunt to find x machine made in x country.
Her machine came in a very nice box with lid. The cost and time just to make that is worth that extra $40.
Her HC is so much nicer than mine. Her HC is worth some money and the spoked wheel. As I stated, I don't know the ebay rates for these items today.
She could also look at the machine as the odd duckling. It has a tattoo that is a wee bit loud with some coloring- goes with the fashions of today.
Nancy, you state that she has a HC to this machine. I see a portion of it in the picture. That HC is much better than the HC I have to my machine. Is the HC handle wood or plastic? Another plus to that machine is that it came with a nice HC. How much are Singer HC going for these days on Ebay? She could always swap the wheel and HC onto another machine for use. I know you don't like to do that since you like to keep all original parts on each machine. But let us just look at it as an big IF she wants a spoked wheel and HC on a different machine for a period of time. They are easy to swap back and forth. I have done this with mine numerous times.
As to made in this country, hmmm, that is a matter of interests. I have numerous Singer machines made in different parts of the world, Great Britain and Taiwan, just happened that way. I wasn't on a hunt to find x machine made in x country.
Her machine came in a very nice box with lid. The cost and time just to make that is worth that extra $40.
Her HC is so much nicer than mine. Her HC is worth some money and the spoked wheel. As I stated, I don't know the ebay rates for these items today.
She could also look at the machine as the odd duckling. It has a tattoo that is a wee bit loud with some coloring- goes with the fashions of today.
As to it being made in Taiwan, or India, or China, or some other country - I don't think that is as important to Debbie as the fact that she thought she bought an antique Singer! I too have several machines made in Germany, Switzerland, Great Britain, Japan, and probably Taiwan, but my friend is just getting into vintage machines, and she really wanted an original with really nice decals! There is a big difference between getting the original real deal and a copy of the original! Like I said, I'd buy one of those if I saw one at a yard sale, etc., just to own one - but, not the treadle! I will save my cabinet space for the original models!
Oh switching out the HW and HC is a good idea, but Debbie is not into vintage yet so she would have nothing to switch them on to. I don't know if the knob on the HC is plastic or not. Anyway, I may talk her out of that machine. She is really disappointed in it, and I wouldn't mind owning one!
Nancy
Jljack - that cabinet front looks really pretty. Is the coffin top as nicely detailed? Lucky you for finding that!
Ok Cathy as much as I love you and your knowledge I have to differ with the 'reproduction' or 'nostalgic' terms. I couldn't sleep last night and thought about the two terms. The 'nostalgic' does have a certain romantic notion, but to me does not describe those machines so I looked up the meaning of both terms.
Reproduce, reproduction, means the process of making a copy of something . . . . made by reproducing an original, copy, duplicate . . . etc.
Nostalgic mean a sentimental or wishful yearning for the happiness felt in a former time, place, or situation . . . a sentimental longing for the past, typically for a period or place with happy personal associations.
I know all of us could probably use either term to describe those machines that are copies of the original Singers, but to me they will always be a reproduced copy. I can't think of them as nostalgic, even though that term does sound much nicer!
Cathy you are just such a sweet person, you want the nice term used, but is it really the correct term?
Nancy
Reproduce, reproduction, means the process of making a copy of something . . . . made by reproducing an original, copy, duplicate . . . etc.
Nostalgic mean a sentimental or wishful yearning for the happiness felt in a former time, place, or situation . . . a sentimental longing for the past, typically for a period or place with happy personal associations.
I know all of us could probably use either term to describe those machines that are copies of the original Singers, but to me they will always be a reproduced copy. I can't think of them as nostalgic, even though that term does sound much nicer!
Cathy you are just such a sweet person, you want the nice term used, but is it really the correct term?
Nancy
I too would probably not pass up the opportunity to own one for a reasonable price out of fascination and curiosity.
Also - I wonder if the antique dealer who sold it to this woman for the extra $40 knew that it was a reproduction??
Valerie, the first time I saw one of the reproduced machines I was dumbfounded! I didn't know they existed either! I knew there are treadles still being produced for the Amish and countries with little or no electricity. The 'new' treadles I had seen produced for the Amish, for example, looked like a modern machine that does decorative stitches, etc., - they were just in a treadle. I didn't know about those machines being produced to duplicate original Singers. The first one I actually saw in person was at my Sewing Repair guy's shop. It looked like an original, but different. It didn't look as well made, it looked smaller - maybe because the treadle was small - it looked gaudy, it looked beat up already, and it was having lots of problems - hence in the repair shop. But, seeing it amazed me to no end! I had no idea it was a reproduction until Billy came up one day with the notion he was going to import and sell those machines here. I think, he found there were not too many people here in the US interested in buying an American icon being reproduced in Taiwan or somewhere else so he dropped the idea. Here in the Vintage shop, we all want the real deal even though I think I would have bought that repro HC that my friend bought just to have one to show off and explain to people what it was!
Nancy
Nancy
What I am curious about, is what were they reproduced for? Are they reproduced for the purpose of nostalgia or were they reproduced for the purpose of duping newbie collectors?
I too would probably not pass up the opportunity to own one for a reasonable price out of fascination and curiosity.
Also - I wonder if the antique dealer who sold it to this woman for the extra $40 knew that it was a reproduction?? Lol*
Nancy
I would love to get this table and put it in my sewing room with a cutting mat on it. Wouldn't that be cute? I just wish it had been made with the original treadle legs not the straight (later years) treadle legs! It worries me that he says one of the legs had been repaired too!
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