General Chit-Chat and Personal Diaries and Announcements: next round of discussions
#11
I think back to the way it was is a good idea.
I never saw a joke that offended me in GCC, mind you, we seem to be a little broader minded over here, and a little less sensitive. There are limits, definitely, and some jokes in the world can be incredibly offensive and over the top. But we're not the kind of people in here that ever repeat those ones. Overall, we're good people, we do good things for each other, and we care a lot. Some of us are religious, some of us are not, some are a little risque, some are not. No one group should be able to set the moral standard of the board, it needs to be broad and it needs to allow for everyone. And if you don't like what's in a thread, close it and don't go back in. Quite simple really. I think some people in here have been getting a little carried away, getting offended on behalf of someone else, or just looking for things to take offense at.
We're all adults, we're not all the same, and no one is intentionally trying to hurt, offend, or hassle someone. People would do well to remember that.
I know that escalation happens.... someone posts a joke and the next one is a little more, the next one a little more again.... so what's wrong with a quick little comment "crikey, lets not get too carried away", and leave it at that. A rule will never cover all eventualities, there will always be something outside the box. So just deal with it when it arises. People WILL learn. The problem for the moderators is that with new people all the time they may face the same situation over and over. That's a pain, but it's just part of life, like being a teacher.
And for the negativity thing.... that's just life too. Sometimes times are bad, sometimes they're good. There are cycles where it seems like every second thread is a "woe is me" type. But people don't leave in droves do they? We're all still here. Just close the thread, walk away, and come back in a few days. Or better still, post a happy thread to balance it!! Now there's a novel idea! ;-)
I understand the dilema for Admin, trying to keep everyone happy but I really think this has become a mountain when it's actually just a molehill. Life is never simple, and it's never easy, and it never fits neatly into a little tidy box. It's messy, it's dirty, sometimes it's negative, and sometimes it hurts. But more often it's fun, and happy, and postitive, and great! It's all a matter of which side you focus on :-)
I never saw a joke that offended me in GCC, mind you, we seem to be a little broader minded over here, and a little less sensitive. There are limits, definitely, and some jokes in the world can be incredibly offensive and over the top. But we're not the kind of people in here that ever repeat those ones. Overall, we're good people, we do good things for each other, and we care a lot. Some of us are religious, some of us are not, some are a little risque, some are not. No one group should be able to set the moral standard of the board, it needs to be broad and it needs to allow for everyone. And if you don't like what's in a thread, close it and don't go back in. Quite simple really. I think some people in here have been getting a little carried away, getting offended on behalf of someone else, or just looking for things to take offense at.
We're all adults, we're not all the same, and no one is intentionally trying to hurt, offend, or hassle someone. People would do well to remember that.
I know that escalation happens.... someone posts a joke and the next one is a little more, the next one a little more again.... so what's wrong with a quick little comment "crikey, lets not get too carried away", and leave it at that. A rule will never cover all eventualities, there will always be something outside the box. So just deal with it when it arises. People WILL learn. The problem for the moderators is that with new people all the time they may face the same situation over and over. That's a pain, but it's just part of life, like being a teacher.
And for the negativity thing.... that's just life too. Sometimes times are bad, sometimes they're good. There are cycles where it seems like every second thread is a "woe is me" type. But people don't leave in droves do they? We're all still here. Just close the thread, walk away, and come back in a few days. Or better still, post a happy thread to balance it!! Now there's a novel idea! ;-)
I understand the dilema for Admin, trying to keep everyone happy but I really think this has become a mountain when it's actually just a molehill. Life is never simple, and it's never easy, and it never fits neatly into a little tidy box. It's messy, it's dirty, sometimes it's negative, and sometimes it hurts. But more often it's fun, and happy, and postitive, and great! It's all a matter of which side you focus on :-)
#12
Originally Posted by Rhonda
Originally Posted by MadQuilter
Sounds like you just can't win. Or at least you can't win them all.
I noticed a recent locked thread and once I read the content it was clear why it got locked. (Negative vibes expressed.)
If someone feels the need to violate the rules [they are not THAT difficult to understand] and then feels the need to vent or complain about the administrators after they were called on their violation is acting pretty immaturely imo.
It would be interesting to hear back from the PDA users why they only post the quilt pics or general pics in the PDA and not in the GCC.
I noticed a recent locked thread and once I read the content it was clear why it got locked. (Negative vibes expressed.)
If someone feels the need to violate the rules [they are not THAT difficult to understand] and then feels the need to vent or complain about the administrators after they were called on their violation is acting pretty immaturely imo.
It would be interesting to hear back from the PDA users why they only post the quilt pics or general pics in the PDA and not in the GCC.
The thing I like the most about the PDA is that I know I am not taking too much space and talking too much in someone else's thread. In my own I can talk as much as I want and know I am not stepping on anyone's toes.
I also like being able to go to friend's pages and joke around without offending anyone. I would hate to lose the PDA.
I guess I don't feel that it is taking away from the main part of the board as most of what I see in the PDA is chitchat that was frowned on before on the main part.
The PDA is a neighborhood where we enjoy talking over the back fence so to speak. That would take up too much room on the GCC.
Just my thoughts and opinion.
But I miss catching up with what people are up to. Before it changed, I would still miss things, but I'd catch some because there were comments in other threads, or because the thread title would catch my eye. If it was someone I didn't know, or a subject I didn't want to read about, I'd just close the thread and go elsewhere. :-)
#13
Plus, I go in there and there are soooooo many threads I want/need to read, it's just too intimidating and I end up reading none.......But I miss catching up with what people are up to. Before it changed, I would still miss things, but I'd catch some because there were comments in other threads, or because the thread title would catch my eye.
If it was someone I didn't know, or a subject I didn't want to read about, I'd just close the thread and go elsewhere.
#14
Originally Posted by Admin
If it was someone I didn't know, or a subject I didn't want to read about, I'd just close the thread and go elsewhere.
There were certainly days where nothing in the GCC was something I really wanted to read, but who said there had to be a percentage in there that appeals to me?? Leave it for a couple of days and there WILL be something in there I want to read.
Oh... and there is ALWAYS something to read in here, the Main section and the Pictures section always have plenty to keep me occupied while I have my breakfast. :-)
#15
This is a personal opinion, but I don't really care for the personal plea's for prayers, updates on their garden project etc. It's not that I don't care, but I simply am so limited in time that I choose to focus on quilting. I love photos of projects, patterns, asking for suggestions. And while I'm sorry if your goat or rhinoceros has leg spasms during the full moon, I would really rather see the quilt you made out of grampa's neckties. I have never gone to the diary page, and probably won't. But it's great for those those who have the time.
I was (am)personally offended by off color jokes. As above, I am on the quilting board site. I don't care to read cute little stories, jokes, etc.
And while I'm on this subject, I am anoyed by quotes inside quotes, inside quotes. Just add your ideas without the rehearsal that we could all read. I can see certain threads get off subject easily, like the swaps. I love seeing what others are making, their patterns, colors, but personal little jokes are lost on the rest of us.
I love the way that Admin listens to all of us, tries to make it a workable board. So instead of doing away with the diaries, just make the rules more clear. It would be a huge job for monitors to move things to their correct spots as they are posted tho. Thanx for starting this discussion.
I was (am)personally offended by off color jokes. As above, I am on the quilting board site. I don't care to read cute little stories, jokes, etc.
And while I'm on this subject, I am anoyed by quotes inside quotes, inside quotes. Just add your ideas without the rehearsal that we could all read. I can see certain threads get off subject easily, like the swaps. I love seeing what others are making, their patterns, colors, but personal little jokes are lost on the rest of us.
I love the way that Admin listens to all of us, tries to make it a workable board. So instead of doing away with the diaries, just make the rules more clear. It would be a huge job for monitors to move things to their correct spots as they are posted tho. Thanx for starting this discussion.
#16
There were certainly days where nothing in the GCC was something I really wanted to read, but who said there had to be a percentage in there that appeals to me?? Leave it for a couple of days and there WILL be something in there I want to read.
I made an analogy about a stranger approaching a group of people in our previous discussion -- back when we started the PDA.
What happens when a person who could become a great addition to this community sees it for the first time? All they see is the stuff they don't want to read. If they don't like it, they won't come back. And there would be one less quilter in here than could have been.
Imagine yourself stumbling across a new website. How likely are you to return if all you saw were posts about personal problems and over-the-top jokes?
Well, I'm sure some people would say "great, my kind of place" :) But in general, flood of any one kind of messages isn't good.
#17
I'm told that some people are afraid to post in GCC because they don't want their posts deleted, and so they post in PDA content that is appropriate for GCC.
Others, like Rhonda, enjoy posting in PDA.
There is nothing we can do about the latter. I don't want to prevent those who really want to post in PDA from doing so.
As for the former, we can try easing up the rules of GCC a bit. Additionally, we wouldn't be deleting the topics. But if something isn't appropriate for GCC, we would lock it and post a notice inside the thread explaining the reason and advising the author to take it to the PDA.
That way, everyone would know what's happening.
What do you think?
Others, like Rhonda, enjoy posting in PDA.
There is nothing we can do about the latter. I don't want to prevent those who really want to post in PDA from doing so.
As for the former, we can try easing up the rules of GCC a bit. Additionally, we wouldn't be deleting the topics. But if something isn't appropriate for GCC, we would lock it and post a notice inside the thread explaining the reason and advising the author to take it to the PDA.
That way, everyone would know what's happening.
What do you think?
#18
I am one that has been guilty of starting a new quilt in PDA, not because I wanted to break the rules, but because it takes me so long to make a quilt top, this one will take at least 3 weeks, working on it every day. I have since moved it to pictures. the only thing in doing it like this is that with updates, there is no way for people to know something new has been added.
I do apologize for breaking the rules. And I would have moved it to pictures later on. I just don't know if it is alright to post a quilt in pictures and to follow it from start to finish.
As far as GCC, goes, I read what I want to read, and pass by what doesn't appeal to me, and I have never had a problem with it.
Again I do apoligize for breaking the rules. :oops: :oops:
I do apologize for breaking the rules. And I would have moved it to pictures later on. I just don't know if it is alright to post a quilt in pictures and to follow it from start to finish.
As far as GCC, goes, I read what I want to read, and pass by what doesn't appeal to me, and I have never had a problem with it.
Again I do apoligize for breaking the rules. :oops: :oops:
#19
Originally Posted by Rhonda
Originally Posted by MadQuilter
Sounds like you just can't win. Or at least you can't win them all.
I noticed a recent locked thread and once I read the content it was clear why it got locked. (Negative vibes expressed.)
If someone feels the need to violate the rules [they are not THAT difficult to understand] and then feels the need to vent or complain about the administrators after they were called on their violation is acting pretty immaturely imo.
It would be interesting to hear back from the PDA users why they only post the quilt pics or general pics in the PDA and not in the GCC.
I noticed a recent locked thread and once I read the content it was clear why it got locked. (Negative vibes expressed.)
If someone feels the need to violate the rules [they are not THAT difficult to understand] and then feels the need to vent or complain about the administrators after they were called on their violation is acting pretty immaturely imo.
It would be interesting to hear back from the PDA users why they only post the quilt pics or general pics in the PDA and not in the GCC.
The thing I like the most about the PDA is that I know I am not taking too much space and talking too much in someone else's thread. In my own I can talk as much as I want and know I am not stepping on anyone's toes.
I also like being able to go to friend's pages and joke around without offending anyone. I would hate to lose the PDA.
I guess I don't feel that it is taking away from the main part of the board as most of what I see in the PDA is chitchat that was frowned on before on the main part.
The PDA is a neighborhood where we enjoy talking over the back fence so to speak. That would take up too much room on the GCC.
Just my thoughts and opinion.
#20
Originally Posted by Admin
There were certainly days where nothing in the GCC was something I really wanted to read, but who said there had to be a percentage in there that appeals to me?? Leave it for a couple of days and there WILL be something in there I want to read.
I made an analogy about a stranger approaching a group of people in our previous discussion -- back when we started the PDA.
What happens when a person who could become a great addition to this community sees it for the first time? All they see is the stuff they don't want to read. If they don't like it, they won't come back. And there would be one less quilter in here than could have been.
Imagine yourself stumbling across a new website. How likely are you to return if all you saw were posts about personal problems and over-the-top jokes?
Well, I'm sure some people would say "great, my kind of place" :) But in general, flood of any one kind of messages isn't good.
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