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    Quote Originally Posted by np3
    I would have said....in a laughing voice......"Heck no! I paid full price for that sucker, I'm not giving it away!"

    It works for me.
    Me too that is what i would say....but not laughingly :evil:

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    You did well. I would have done something similar. Copyright is copyright, and the price is due the creator of the pattern.

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    I wonder if your designer friend needs a pattern tester? The other friend could help work out the kinks of her next pattern and get it for free. Now that I think about it, that wouldn't work because she might give away copies. But if she saw all the work that goes into a design (particularly a BOM) that might be a life lesson.
    I have two friends who design and I feel protective of them and their creativity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aggie
    Just a question. Is it all right to sell her the pattern? Would that be breaking the copyright law?
    Yes, she could sell her copy of the pattern so long as she doesn't make another copy to keep. It is making a copy of the pattern that is illegal even if you just plan on giving the copy away.

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    I had a friend who was constantly copying patterns for another friend. We worked at a LQS & she would do this when the boss wasn't there. I asked her to please not do that in front of me because it put me in a really bad position. Her response was that she just considered it "sharing". So I asked her if she saw a homeless person on the street, would she go in to the local supermarket, grab a loaf of bread, a pkg of bologne, pkg of cheese & some mayo & walk out the door & give it to the homeless person w/out paying for it. She got this really appalled look on her face & very adamently said "NO!" I then asked her why she felt it was okay to "share" the property of a quilt designer when she wouldn't share the property of a supermarket owner. I don't know if she stopped doing this, but at least she didn't do it in front of me any more.

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    What part of NO does she not understand. That is taking money from the designer. It's okay for you to spend the money, but not her? Is that a true friend?

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    Or you could just try the truth - give HER a call and tell her that after thinking it over you KNOW just cannot give her the pattern because you would be cheating the artist our of her deserved income. Period. If she hangs up - good riddance to bad company.

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    Copyright is a fact. Stick to your guns, no copies. It is just wrong for her to continue to push you, stand your ground.

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    I agree with all the others. Just ask her "what part of the word NO don't you understand". I cannot and I will not give you the pattern. It is against the law. End of conversation. If you lose her as a friend then you didn't lose very much I'd say.

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    How about: "Oh, I couldn't do that to Ms. Designer. She's a good friend, and she depends on this for her income."

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    ahhh, why exactly are you trying to keep a relationship going with a person like this??? My MIL has "friends" like this - they use her right to the wall and she hates it and she hates her self for putting up w/ it, but she ends up smiling and being used. sharet

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    God only knows why some people are just plain ignorant!! Some people don't care. I tend to think if it is family (close family) that can't afford something, I give in and give them the item. But if the friend is more than able to buy the pattern--tell her it is AGAINST THE LAW to give her a copy because it is copyrighted.
    You will feel better after you do it the first time and it will be easier the next time.
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    You can always use the line that has always worked for me..." I'm not comfortable doing that". Plain and simple easy to understand--puts it back on her. Is she going to make you "uncomfortable? Although sometimes it doesn't matter what you say!! I had a lady that came to our group occasionally she found out I had a pattern that she wanted she went to the grocery store where I was shopping and asked me for it. And that's what I told her and she never approached me again. Why should you have to agonize over this?? Some friend. Pam

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    I have done as you did- it is unfair to the creator's intellectual ownership and to your integrity. Apart from that, why do people assume that you will give them for free what it cost you $$ to obtain? If the person has no integrity it doesn't matter if you terminate the acquaintance.

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    Simply tell her "No, it is copyrighted", if she keeps on, just repeat the same sentence each time she comes back with something. I read this somewhere in an article on confrontation. It keeps them from wearing you down.

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    As one who works in legal, then me explain this to you & sorry but I will be blunt & straight to the point that.... YOU are breaking the law & it would be YOu to suffer the consquences & no point her saying no-one would know - because I can assure you that companies or private individuals who have had their products registered under Copy Right Laws do find out out - even if its in another country or years away.

    And as a matter of fact in an Australian Court where I am now - there is a civil court case going on right now - & reaching as far to the UK & its all to do with private individual breaching "Copy Right Law"

    This person in court now stands to loose their own home over this whole matter......

    So its up to you & your conscience if you want to breach the laws.

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    She has alot of nerve asking you to break the law. So you need to have the nerve to tell her NO! Don't let people take advantage of you. If she is truly a friend then she will understand.

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    One of my "friends" is the same way. I have a couple of clutter bins in which I have a jumble of handouts, downloaded patterns, miscellaneous notes, take one flyers, etc. I've given-up trying the ethical approach with this woman because she just doesn't get it. Now, I say something to the fact that I think it's in one of those bins, I'll try to get to it in my "spare time". She forgets about it. Don't compromise your integrity.

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    I would tell her I could not share it because of copyright laws, but I would be happy to share any other pattern that I had that was not protected by a copyright clause. Then she can make her choice, another pattern or no pattern.

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    Tell your "friend" you are not breaking the law!

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    I agree with np3 I think the straightforward approach is best, it can always be put in a nice way.

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    Good answer!! I'll try to remember that one.
    Why do people expect us to pay for a pattern and them give it them. Which, I think is ok as long as you don't copy the pattern.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shequilts
    A close friend of mine designed and copyrighted a beautiful 12 Days of Christmas BOM. I participated and gladly paid the monthly fee. Like so many exceptional BOMs, it wasn't cheap!
    Tonight, a mutual acquaintance of both the designer and me, called to ask if I had made the BOM. I responded that I had. She immediately said, "Oh goody, I'll have to get a copy. It's too expensive to buy."
    I was floored! I said, "You know it's copyrighted." She did not back up one inch. She proceeded to try to make a date to come by and get the pattern. I literally made up every excuse in the world why not this week. I have no intention of giving it to her, but don't want a confrontation. I just keep hoping she'll forget about it if I make it inconvenient for her.
    I'm so annoyed about this. I know what I'm going to do and I'll end up having to end this relationship.
    What would you have done?
    (That's just awful that you spilled coffee on it.... I have had those people too, and I am NOT up for a confrontation with them either. I just happen destroy the item in question, and tell where it can be replaced. And no, I won't be buying another, to loan either.) The easiest thing to do, is just not show that person, anymore of your lovely work.

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    Just remeber how you would be cheating your friend that is the designer if you let your other friend copy. Maybe that will help you stand up to the begger.

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    You could tell her a little white lie about something that actually happened to me. I had lost a favorite children's hat pattern in the rubble of my sewing area in the basement. One of our kittens had dragged it into a corner and peed on it! Couldn't use that pattern anymore!

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