Viking Sapphire Sewing Machine
10-30-2011, 01:04 PM
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Originally Posted by romanojg
As with everything, cars, computers, TVs or sewing machines; one mans love is another ones hatered of the product. There will always be either Viking lovers, Bernina lovers, etc. Also as with everything once in awhile a bad one will fall thru the crack and get sold; that is life rather it is mechanical or even the food that we eat. Alot of times shops change what they are selling in order to make a larger profit; nothing wrong with that but they should just say we changed our line and not belittle the other machine. How many times in the past few years have we heard of companines having problems and maybe facing bankruptcy and then to come out of the slump;look at Sears. I have a Singer of 26yrs that still works great, a Kenmore/Janome of 3yrs that works great and a Viking Mega quilter of 1yr; great machine and I have the Viking #1 in the shop that I have just replaced with a Viking Ruby. All of these machines are great but I've met others who have other machines and they feel the same way about thier machines; that's the way it should be. If Viking was such a poor quality machine they wouldn't still be selling and people like the ones on here that have had thiers for years and are holding on to them wouldn't exist. Keep on loving your machines; try out different ones at different shops if you decide to buy a new one. Each one offers something different.
10-30-2011, 01:21 PM
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Originally Posted by nhweaver
Originally Posted by romanojg
As with everything, cars, computers, TVs or sewing machines; one mans love is another ones hatered of the product. There will always be either Viking lovers, Bernina lovers, etc. Also as with everything once in awhile a bad one will fall thru the crack and get sold; that is life rather it is mechanical or even the food that we eat. Alot of times shops change what they are selling in order to make a larger profit; nothing wrong with that but they should just say we changed our line and not belittle the other machine. How many times in the past few years have we heard of companines having problems and maybe facing bankruptcy and then to come out of the slump;look at Sears. I have a Singer of 26yrs that still works great, a Kenmore/Janome of 3yrs that works great and a Viking Mega quilter of 1yr; great machine and I have the Viking #1 in the shop that I have just replaced with a Viking Ruby. All of these machines are great but I've met others who have other machines and they feel the same way about thier machines; that's the way it should be. If Viking was such a poor quality machine they wouldn't still be selling and people like the ones on here that have had thiers for years and are holding on to them wouldn't exist. Keep on loving your machines; try out different ones at different shops if you decide to buy a new one. Each one offers something different.
10-30-2011, 02:36 PM
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Originally Posted by romanojg
Originally Posted by nhweaver
Originally Posted by romanojg
As with everything, cars, computers, TVs or sewing machines; one mans love is another ones hatered of the product. There will always be either Viking lovers, Bernina lovers, etc. Also as with everything once in awhile a bad one will fall thru the crack and get sold; that is life rather it is mechanical or even the food that we eat. Alot of times shops change what they are selling in order to make a larger profit; nothing wrong with that but they should just say we changed our line and not belittle the other machine. How many times in the past few years have we heard of companines having problems and maybe facing bankruptcy and then to come out of the slump;look at Sears. I have a Singer of 26yrs that still works great, a Kenmore/Janome of 3yrs that works great and a Viking Mega quilter of 1yr; great machine and I have the Viking #1 in the shop that I have just replaced with a Viking Ruby. All of these machines are great but I've met others who have other machines and they feel the same way about thier machines; that's the way it should be. If Viking was such a poor quality machine they wouldn't still be selling and people like the ones on here that have had thiers for years and are holding on to them wouldn't exist. Keep on loving your machines; try out different ones at different shops if you decide to buy a new one. Each one offers something different.
"think" they were getting a Swedish machine. Buyers beware!!!
10-30-2011, 02:43 PM
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Originally Posted by nhweaver
Originally Posted by romanojg
Originally Posted by nhweaver
Originally Posted by romanojg
As with everything, cars, computers, TVs or sewing machines; one mans love is another ones hatered of the product. There will always be either Viking lovers, Bernina lovers, etc. Also as with everything once in awhile a bad one will fall thru the crack and get sold; that is life rather it is mechanical or even the food that we eat. Alot of times shops change what they are selling in order to make a larger profit; nothing wrong with that but they should just say we changed our line and not belittle the other machine. How many times in the past few years have we heard of companines having problems and maybe facing bankruptcy and then to come out of the slump;look at Sears. I have a Singer of 26yrs that still works great, a Kenmore/Janome of 3yrs that works great and a Viking Mega quilter of 1yr; great machine and I have the Viking #1 in the shop that I have just replaced with a Viking Ruby. All of these machines are great but I've met others who have other machines and they feel the same way about thier machines; that's the way it should be. If Viking was such a poor quality machine they wouldn't still be selling and people like the ones on here that have had thiers for years and are holding on to them wouldn't exist. Keep on loving your machines; try out different ones at different shops if you decide to buy a new one. Each one offers something different.
"think" they were getting a Swedish machine. Buyers beware!!!
10-31-2011, 10:44 AM
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Viking and Pfaff and Singers are owned by SVP Corp. But the Pfaffs still are engineered in Germany and same for the Vikings; engineered in Sweden but assembled in China for both.
I bought a brand new Viking Diamond Deluxe in May. In my 2nd class on using the machine the shop manager noted that the Exclusive Sensor System was not working properly when selected. She contacted the Viking Rep in the U.S. headquarters and was instructed to replace my machine immediately with another brand new out of the box machine. Never had a problem with the replaced machine and I have done lots of work on it since. I love love love this machine.
From what I understand the bigger main components are still manufactured in the country of origin but the rest is "made in China" and this broadens out further to other makes also, not just Viking and Pfaff, and including Bernina. In fact a former Bernina salesman told me that Bernina was already being made in China before Pfaff and Viking.
I bought a brand new Viking Diamond Deluxe in May. In my 2nd class on using the machine the shop manager noted that the Exclusive Sensor System was not working properly when selected. She contacted the Viking Rep in the U.S. headquarters and was instructed to replace my machine immediately with another brand new out of the box machine. Never had a problem with the replaced machine and I have done lots of work on it since. I love love love this machine.
From what I understand the bigger main components are still manufactured in the country of origin but the rest is "made in China" and this broadens out further to other makes also, not just Viking and Pfaff, and including Bernina. In fact a former Bernina salesman told me that Bernina was already being made in China before Pfaff and Viking.
10-31-2011, 11:20 AM
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Mine works okay, just shoddy workmanship. If something was not working they would have replaced the machine. Yesterday, I took it out and am sewing on it because I need the wide harp to top quilt. I must be sensitive to grating grinding noises, so I just turn on some music to sew.
This machine had to be put together like the Monday produced cars. My Viking dealer no longer carries Vikings, he now is a Janome dealer and added a long arm area as well as sewing cabinetry, very upscale.
This machine had to be put together like the Monday produced cars. My Viking dealer no longer carries Vikings, he now is a Janome dealer and added a long arm area as well as sewing cabinetry, very upscale.
Originally Posted by vschieve
Viking and Pfaff and Singers are owned by SVP Corp. But the Pfaffs still are engineered in Germany and same for the Vikings; engineered in Sweden but assembled in China for both.
I bought a brand new Viking Diamond Deluxe in May. In my 2nd class on using the machine the shop manager noted that the Exclusive Sensor System was not working properly when selected. She contacted the Viking Rep in the U.S. headquarters and was instructed to replace my machine immediately with another brand new out of the box machine. Never had a problem with the replaced machine and I have done lots of work on it since. I love love love this machine.
From what I understand the bigger main components are still manufactured in the country of origin but the rest is "made in China" and this broadens out further to other makes also, not just Viking and Pfaff, and including Bernina. In fact a former Bernina salesman told me that Bernina was already being made in China before Pfaff and Viking.
I bought a brand new Viking Diamond Deluxe in May. In my 2nd class on using the machine the shop manager noted that the Exclusive Sensor System was not working properly when selected. She contacted the Viking Rep in the U.S. headquarters and was instructed to replace my machine immediately with another brand new out of the box machine. Never had a problem with the replaced machine and I have done lots of work on it since. I love love love this machine.
From what I understand the bigger main components are still manufactured in the country of origin but the rest is "made in China" and this broadens out further to other makes also, not just Viking and Pfaff, and including Bernina. In fact a former Bernina salesman told me that Bernina was already being made in China before Pfaff and Viking.
05-23-2012, 01:42 PM
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I've just read this thread with interest as I've have the Sapphire 875Q being delivered tomorrow. I have had to wait a couple of extra days for it as they ran out of stock and this one has been despatched from Germany, or so I've been informed. I have been a little rash and ordered it without test driving it, but my friends who have huskvarnas rate them very highly and one of them, who has half a dozen Janome machines, including the Horizon, has just taken delivery of the Diamond Deluxe.
I have a 20 year old Janome and a 10 year old Brother SuperAce II. I particularly wanted the larger throat facility, and the 875 was on offer for £899 (reduced from £1099) as opposed to the £1499 (reduced from £1799) for the Janome Horizon which would probably have been my first choice.
So I'll let you know how I get on with it
I have a 20 year old Janome and a 10 year old Brother SuperAce II. I particularly wanted the larger throat facility, and the 875 was on offer for £899 (reduced from £1099) as opposed to the £1499 (reduced from £1799) for the Janome Horizon which would probably have been my first choice.
So I'll let you know how I get on with it
05-23-2012, 02:29 PM
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I bought a Viking Sapphire 875Q almost 3 years ago, and really don't like it. It is loud, vibrates like the dickens. Has already been to be repaired twice. My 10 year old Janome 10000 is so quiet, doesn't vibrate. The Sapphire sits on the floor. I like the thread cutting feature (that was the second repair), the stitch quality is great, love the bigger harp, don't like the rickety needle threader (so primative compared to a 10 year old Janome). My friend has an older Viking and tried my machine. She calls my version that was made in China, the Walmart edition. She tried mine, and told me that I probably got a Walmart edition made on a Friday. Hers was made in Sweden.
05-24-2012, 09:48 AM
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My machine has arrived, so I checked it's country of manufacture and it is, indeed China. I havent tried it out yet because I'm desperately trying to get my dining room straight so I can reward myself with a bit of sewing.
07-25-2012, 12:26 AM
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Hi, Ive been researching two machines in particular, Jamome Horizon and the Husqvarna 875Q. I was really disappointed when a dealer told me that since the Vikings have been made in China, not Sweden, the quality is not as good. Problems with tension? Has anybody else heard this? Does anybody have one which has been manufactured in China? And do you have any problems? I'm going to see a Janome soon but there doesnt seem to be any Huskys locally to have a look at. Have had a little stitch on an 835 which was nice, but as its an older model it was probably manufactured in Sweden. Anybody have any comments?
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