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    Quote Originally Posted by Candace View Post
    The problem with that for me, is the fabric and stitching is obscured by a regular foot I do a lot of detailed FMQ and I have to see the lines very well and have complete control of the quilt sandwich. Also, the foot pressure can only be released so far. I tried it like that on the 319 and it was a no go. Of course, your mileage will vary with different machines.
    I looked at that video - she is not using a regular foot - it looks like she does have some kind of finger guard on the machine though - I think that is a good idea.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Candace View Post
    The problem with that for me, is the fabric and stitching is obscured by a regular foot I do a lot of detailed FMQ and I have to see the lines very well and have complete control of the quilt sandwich. Also, the foot pressure can only be released so far. I tried it like that on the 319 and it was a no go. Of course, your mileage will vary with different machines.
    This wasn't meant as a suggestion on what foot to use; this was meant as WOW take a look at the foot.
    I had forgotten this gal. While looking through information on FMQ with treadle, I came across it today.
    First time I saw this video, I was like this gal moves quickly. Today while watching the video, it was what foot is she using.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Candace View Post
    EUREKA!!!! Cathy, you are brilliant. That spring needle you pictured is the absolutely BEST FMQ tool for the 319 I've found. Here's the thing. I've had it forever and haven't used it with the 319 because it never dawned on me that the needle could be removed and replaced. I had assumed it was factory made to be replaced with the needle, if and when it was dull or broken. So, I had basically counted it out considering the 319 takes specialty 206 x 13 needles. When you mentioned that you thought other needles could be inserted that really got me motivated.

    First, I removed the spring using my fingernail. I inserted the 206 size 12 needle and it worked, but not great. I was getting some skipped stitches. So, I tried the size 14 and it was a bit harder to install in the spring. As you can see by the photo the length of the needle is different and it took me a while to get the spring to sit on the sweet spot of the needle and yet to allow it to insert fully into the needle holder clamp. But, after a minute or two of playing with it, I got it just right in the spring and did the best FMQ ever on the 319! I'm so exicited to have this machine as an option. I was using junk thread so hope to have better results using quality thread;> I FMQ a lot and spend countless hours doing so. So...having machines that do a good job with it is very important to me.

    So, thanks Cathy for giving me this option as it's great. I'm going to use the spring attachment I received from you on my Rotary 77.

    I would suggest that anyone interested in FMQ on their 319 to buy one of these spring needles!
    I'm sure Nancy is very interested in this.

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    Candace,

    Fantastic! Glad that the spring needle works for you.

    I just tried another style darning spring on my White Rotary, works but the machine doesn't like it much. Probably need to have "the discussion" with my machine. You know the "you can easily become a parts machine" talk.
    Or I could blame the operator and practice more. <GGG>

    I noticed on the picture that you posted the spring is over the needle clamp post. Slide (stretch) it over a little to the right to sit on the screw. That is one of the things that Monica did to make it work better.

    Cathy

    The only difference in the 15x1 and the 206x13 needle is in the tip. The top of the shank to the eye is the same.




    Quote Originally Posted by Candace View Post
    EUREKA!!!! Cathy, you are brilliant. That spring needle you pictured is the absolutely BEST FMQ tool for the 319 I've found. Here's the thing. I've had it forever and haven't used it with the 319 because it never dawned on me that the needle could be removed and replaced. I had assumed it was factory made to be replaced with the needle, if and when it was dull or broken. So, I had basically counted it out considering the 319 takes specialty 206 x 13 needles. When you mentioned that you thought other needles could be inserted that really got me motivated.

    First, I removed the spring using my fingernail. I inserted the 206 size 12 needle and it worked, but not great. I was getting some skipped stitches. So, I tried the size 14 and it was a bit harder to install in the spring. As you can see by the photo the length of the needle is different and it took me a while to get the spring to sit on the sweet spot of the needle and yet to allow it to insert fully into the needle holder clamp. But, after a minute or two of playing with it, I got it just right in the spring and did the best FMQ ever on the 319! I'm so exicited to have this machine as an option. I was using junk thread so hope to have better results using quality thread;> I FMQ a lot and spend countless hours doing so. So...having machines that do a good job with it is very important to me.

    So, thanks Cathy for giving me this option as it's great. I'm going to use the spring attachment I received from you on my Rotary 77.

    I would suggest that anyone interested in FMQ on their 319 to buy one of these spring needles!
    Cathy

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    Cathy:

    The only difference in the 15x1 and the 206x13 needle is in the tip??? The top of the shank to the eye is the same??? So can the 15x1 be modified?
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    Quote Originally Posted by vintagemotif View Post
    This wasn't meant as a suggestion on what foot to use; this was meant as WOW take a look at the foot.
    I had forgotten this gal. While looking through information on FMQ with treadle, I came across it today.
    First time I saw this video, I was like this gal moves quickly. Today while watching the video, it was what foot is she using.
    I still don't see a foot - I think it is a finger guard
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    Quote Originally Posted by miriam View Post
    I still don't see a foot - I think it is a finger guard
    Looks like a zipper foot to me...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Charlee View Post
    Looks like a zipper foot to me...
    stop the video - her finger is below that thing - it is a finger guard - industrial type. http://www.universalsewing.com/tek9....criteria=520.1 there are some like that on here.
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    Miriam,

    The top of the shank to the eye is the timing length and yes it is the same. But, the 15x1's longer tip will still be in the fabric (especially with thicker fabrics) when the feeddogs start moving and this will affect the tension and stitching. It can also hit the bobbin case. It is always better to use the correct needle. Please don't let anyone talk you into retiming the 206 series to take a regular needle. I know that this can be a controversial subject.

    The tip could be shortened and resharpened, but I would not recommend it. It would be very difficult to make the reshaped tip just like the original such as shape, sharpness, in line with the long axis of the needle, etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by miriam View Post
    Cathy:

    The only difference in the 15x1 and the 206x13 needle is in the tip??? The top of the shank to the eye is the same??? So can the 15x1 be modified?
    Cathy

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    The difference in the 206 x 13's size 12 and size 14 needles (and what was a bit tricky) is that the shank of the size 14 is a bit longer than the 12 and the needle length below the eye is also a smidge longer. Both of the above are 206 x 13's. The left is the 14, the right is the size 12. I was showing this to let you all see how the spring will fit a bit differently around the 14 needle.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mizkaki View Post
    Miriam,

    The top of the shank to the eye is the timing length and yes it is the same. But, the 15x1's longer tip will still be in the fabric (especially with thicker fabrics) when the feeddogs start moving and this will affect the tension and stitching. It can also hit the bobbin case. It is always better to use the correct needle. Please don't let anyone talk you into retiming the 206 series to take a regular needle. I know that this can be a controversial subject.

    The tip could be shortened and resharpened, but I would not recommend it. It would be very difficult to make the reshaped tip just like the original such as shape, sharpness, in line with the long axis of the needle, etc.

    Cathy
    Oh, I get it - feed dogs... I keep learning so much from that machine. I'm liking that Singer 319 machine better the more I use it. I borrowed a motor and foot control from a 99 I turned into a hand crank. The bobbin case had a LOT of burrs and occasionally the thread wants to stay under when I pull up the bobbin thread. After it is up is is ok. I should turn it over and prod around some more. Right now it is set for FM. I need to bring home the table it was in so I can really sew something. That table has a door in front. You flip the door open all the way to help prop the table I guess. In the front of the table there is a hole to reach in for changing the bobbin - so much easier to reach through the hole. I still need the end screw for the needle holder but unless I change the needle it seems to work ok - go figure.
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    I got your message, and yes I will bring the spring! Are you talking about the spring/needle combo or the spring attachment? I didn't know you had a White Rotary! Why am I not surprised:>


    Quote Originally Posted by Mizkaki View Post
    Candace,

    Fantastic! Glad that the spring needle works for you.

    I just tried another style darning spring on my White Rotary, works but the machine doesn't like it much. Probably need to have "the discussion" with my machine. You know the "you can easily become a parts machine" talk.
    Or I could blame the operator and practice more. <GGG>

    I noticed on the picture that you posted the spring is over the needle clamp post. Slide (stretch) it over a little to the right to sit on the screw. That is one of the things that Monica did to make it work better.

    Cathy

    The only difference in the 15x1 and the 206x13 needle is in the tip. The top of the shank to the eye is the same.

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    I agree. I think it is a finger guard. You can see that the lever for the presser foot is down, but if you watch one of the other Laga videos you will see a lady finish her sewing and pull the work out without lifting the lever. I think it is a finger guard to the left side of the needle and a fraction above the work. From what I can tell the material she is sewing (thin leather?) is firm and smooth, so so long as she is holding it down firmly it will not lift as the needle rises out of it with each stitch. It's free motion, but not quilting.

    I found this video, along with Leah Day's videos, very useful before attempting FMQ on my 15K treadle. It showed the speed I needed to get the needle going at.

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    my 201 is my go to FMQ. Wonderful stitches. I use serger thread for quilting, it's a little lighter than regular thread. I want to build a BIIIIIG table for my spare 201 so that my quilt is supported on all sides, but for now i just cope. In case it helps anyone, when I teach people to FMQ I recommed that they write the alphabet with the thread. We all already know how to write our letters, and so it gives you the advantage of that part of the experience being automatic.

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    Cathy mentioned that her White didn't like FMQ. I've tried to use my White for that, and it did not like it. At all. So it may be a white thing. May be the carbon based unit, though. (duck and run)

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    Seems like some machine do better than others... Some feet work better than others.... some days the carbon based unit works better than others... I'm still learning the FM and loving it. I haven't tried my name yet - just scribbling the center of some denim roses to decorate a couple tote bags. I need to work up the nerve.
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    Here's a couple of pics of some of the smaller end FMQ I do. I need good visibility. The spring and the spring attachment I got from Cathy will both be excellent tools.
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    Candace,

    Good pictures. The shank length will not make any difference in sewing. Different brands have differences in the shank length. I agree that it does look like it can make a difference in fitting the spring on the needle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Candace View Post
    The difference in the 206 x 13's size 12 and size 14 needles (and what was a bit tricky) is that the shank of the size 14 is a bit longer than the 12 and the needle length below the eye is also a smidge longer. Both of the above are 206 x 13's. The left is the 14, the right is the size 12. I was showing this to let you all see how the spring will fit a bit differently around the 14 needle.
    Cathy

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    Candace,

    How about both.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Candace View Post
    I got your message, and yes I will bring the spring! Are you talking about the spring/needle combo or the spring attachment? I didn't know you had a White Rotary! Why am I not surprised:>
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    Laura,

    Probably the carbon based unit. I really think that is what the problem is with my White.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nurseknitsLaura View Post
    Cathy mentioned that her White didn't like FMQ. I've tried to use my White for that, and it did not like it. At all. So it may be a white thing. May be the carbon based unit, though. (duck and run)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Muv View Post
    I agree. I think it is a finger guard. You can see that the lever for the presser foot is down, but if you watch one of the other Laga videos you will see a lady finish her sewing and pull the work out without lifting the lever. I think it is a finger guard to the left side of the needle and a fraction above the work. From what I can tell the material she is sewing (thin leather?) is firm and smooth, so so long as she is holding it down firmly it will not lift as the needle rises out of it with each stitch. It's free motion, but not quilting.

    I found this video, along with Leah Day's videos, very useful before attempting FMQ on my 15K treadle. It showed the speed I needed to get the needle going at.
    Enlarge the video to full screen...that's a zipper foot...she's just got the pressure released. I do that on my older machines that don't drop the dogs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Charlee View Post
    Enlarge the video to full screen...that's a zipper foot...she's just got the pressure released. I do that on my older machines that don't drop the dogs.
    Fingerguard like in the catalog.
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    Quote Originally Posted by miriam View Post
    Fingerguard like in the catalog.
    Why not just send Laga a message and ask them - or would that spoil the fun?

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