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    NEVER let a sewing machine know you are in a hurry.
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    Now you do realize that we collect old vintage machines and that people on the net are looking for and easy buck and the lukers or prof business people looking to make the $. These people will collect vintage machines and sell them at top $. They know what we are looking for. It is our own fault we have driven the price up on these machines. The demands is great now for these machines and they will get for and few between as the dealers figure this out. We are a larger group than you think. I have been in business a long time and very well understand the law of demand and what it will do to prices.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Glenn View Post
    Now you do realize that we collect old vintage machines and that people on the net are looking for and easy buck and the lukers or prof business people looking to make the $. These people will collect vintage machines and sell them at top $. They know what we are looking for. It is our own fault we have driven the price up on these machines. The demands is great now for these machines and they will get for and few between as the dealers figure this out. We are a larger group than you think. I have been in business a long time and very well understand the law of demand and what it will do to prices.
    I'm thinking there are sellers asking a lot of $$$ and the buyers are few and far between and trying to pay $20 for a machine that has been worked over and in top condition. Maybe they think the machines are worth more all rusted up and covered in lint and dried on 3 in 1 oil and have broken wires and don't turn and have a case or cabinet that has been through a war. I'm seeing those on CL for big bucks. go figure.
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    Quote Originally Posted by quilt addict View Post
    There is a Red machine that shows up on the San Diego Craig's list at an outrageous price. I think I had posted the info before but I couldn't find it today but it seems like it has been showing up for at least 5 months. I will post it when it pops up again.

    Lisa

    Okay it just showed up again, price is down to $130!
    http://sandiego.craigslist.org/nsd/art/3045180210.html
    Lisa, thank you for posting this! Now I see for sure what Candace had noticed! The red machine we are looking at in the Sacramento Craigslist is missing part of the bobbin winder!

    Nancy

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    Quote Originally Posted by Glenn View Post
    Now you do realize that we collect old vintage machines and that people on the net are looking for and easy buck and the lukers or prof business people looking to make the $. These people will collect vintage machines and sell them at top $. They know what we are looking for. It is our own fault we have driven the price up on these machines. The demands is great now for these machines and they will get for and few between as the dealers figure this out. We are a larger group than you think. I have been in business a long time and very well understand the law of demand and what it will do to prices.
    Glenn, I don't doubt that you know what you are talking about, but I think E-bay is what has pushed the price up. But if you watch e-bay those machines don't sell for what they are asking. The same thing with Craigslist. I have seen the same machines on Craigslist for months and months. They just get re-listed, because they don't sell. I still think it is a buyers market. I find machines all the time like the Red one (but not red or I'd own it!) on our craigslist, at flea markets, yard sales, barn sales, for $25 to 35 bucks. There still are not a lot of folks wanting the old vintage machines. They are too heavy for the younger generation. The new to sewing people want a modern plastic wonder. They don't want to lug around an all metal 40 lb machine! I really don't see a real market for these machines - not many young people even want to sew! I think the real market is with us - the people who appreciate the value of an all metal machine. So maybe you are right after all - we are the ones who are pushing up the prices! I know here where I live, the antique stores won't even take a treadle or a vintage/antique sewing machine. They tell me they can't sell them so don't want them in their stores! When we drove to Oakland to pick up my Pfaff treadle the store owner threw in a Japanese 15 in really nice shape that had been in his store forever - he couldn't get rid of it - he made us take it as part of the deal when we took the Pfaff! So where are the buyers for these antique and vintage machines?

    Nancy
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    Quote Originally Posted by miriam View Post
    I'm glad to see they post a pic of the bobbin. I bought mine and didn't know it wouldn't be included, but now I know what to watch for.

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    Quote Originally Posted by grannysewer View Post
    I'm glad to see they post a pic of the bobbin. I bought mine and didn't know it wouldn't be included, but now I know what to watch for.
    Did you notice how much lint there is in the bobbin area/throat plate?

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    Nancy, Yes, there are lots of lazy lurkers not willing to do their own work or just take advantage of us. And some even like to play games. I'm not naive about that. I just look at it as if the machine was meant to be yours then you will become the next steward.

    There are those that will never make a posting here on this thread, but will post a "hey look at my new machine" or "help my X machine doesn't work" or 'blah x machine blahblah" on a thread that they have started on the QB. I have almost stopped reading those threads. Some may be lurkers from other vintage machine sites testing the QB site, and some may be quilters on the QB site just lurking on this thread...possibly too afraid to speak up.



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    Quote Originally Posted by purplefiend View Post
    Did you notice how much lint there is in the bobbin area/throat plate?
    Looks like a good cleaning is in order. On another note, will I have to use a special walking foot on my 301, or can I use the one I use on the FW?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BoJangles View Post
    Glenn, I don't doubt that you know what you are talking about, but I think E-bay is what has pushed the price up. But if you watch e-bay those machines don't sell for what they are asking. The same thing with Craigslist. I have seen the same machines on Craigslist for months and months. They just get re-listed, because they don't sell. I still think it is a buyers market. I find machines all the time like the Red one (but not red or I'd own it!) on our craigslist, at flea markets, yard sales, barn sales, for $25 to 35 bucks. There still are not a lot of folks wanting the old vintage machines. They are too heavy for the younger generation. The new to sewing people want a modern plastic wonder. They don't want to lug around an all metal 40 lb machine! I really don't see a real market for these machines - not many young people even want to sew! I think the real market is with us - the people who appreciate the value of an all metal machine. So maybe you are right after all - we are the ones who are pushing up the prices! I know here where I live, the antique stores won't even take a treadle or a vintage/antique sewing machine. They tell me they can't sell them so don't want them in their stores! When we drove to Oakland to pick up my Pfaff treadle the store owner threw in a Japanese 15 in really nice shape that had been in his store forever - he couldn't get rid of it - he made us take it as part of the deal when we took the Pfaff! So where are the buyers for these antique and vintage machines?

    Nancy
    Yes Ebay is asking high prices but they are following the antigue stores and prices. And yes some don't sell and have to be re listed but all do sell. Some go to the local antigues stores and will sel at the asking price. The condition is not an issue it is the demand. Ebay is only the reflection of what people will pay. The Q B is not the only members looking for the vintage machines. For every QB wanting a machine there are three business people who want to seel them a Vintage machine at top $. There are many sites on the hunt for Vintage Sewing Machines and sites that sell these vintage machine at high dollar prices. Ebay is a reflection of what people will pay, just look at what we quilters did to the FW!!!!!!
    Glenn W. Cleveland

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    I have several antique stores here who have vintage machines for sale and they want 200 + for them and I tried to bargin them down and there answer was there is a QB member who will want it and we will not lower the the price. And yes a QB did buy one of them here. Demand Demand or what they think the demand is. I know it is unfair and I don't like it but this is a democratic socioty at its best. Free enterprize.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Glenn View Post
    Yes Ebay is asking high prices but they are following the antigue stores and prices. And yes some don't sell and have to be re listed but all do sell. Some go to the local antigues stores and will sel at the asking price. The condition is not an issue it is the demand. Ebay is only the reflection of what people will pay. The Q B is not the only members looking for the vintage machines. For every QB wanting a machine there are three business people who want to seel them a Vintage machine at top $. There are many sites on the hunt for Vintage Sewing Machines and sites that sell these vintage machine at high dollar prices. Ebay is a reflection of what people will pay, just look at what we quilters did to the FW!!!!!!
    That is why I shop for the free or cheap machines.

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    There are two guys here in the Bay Area that are always posting vintage machines that they have cleaned up for sale. For the past two years, the same machines keep rotating around on the CLs. The machines are pretty, but I would never pay those prices for them. I like to find the $10-$50 deals at yard sales.

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    Quote Originally Posted by grannysewer View Post
    Looks like a good cleaning is in order. On another note, will I have to use a special walking foot on my 301, or can I use the one I use on the FW?
    The 301 is a slant shank machine, the walking foot for the FW won't work as it is a short shank machine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vintagemotif View Post
    That is why I shop for the free or cheap machines.
    I am like you only go for the cheap machines. But I know people who pay big bucks for the old machines. Not me
    Glenn W. Cleveland

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    Quote Originally Posted by grayhare View Post
    I didn't realize that posting the above listing would cause such a problem. It's not like nobody looks on CL.
    We are only dealing with sewing machines, and sometimes overpriced!

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    Quote Originally Posted by grayhare View Post
    I didn't realize that posting the above listing would cause such a problem. It's not like nobody looks on CL.
    We are only dealing with sewing machines, and sometimes overpriced!
    I agree, Annamaria! We all find bargains here and there...if someone puts a Heads Up on here for a particular person, well, those ads are posted online and anyone can see them!! Who knows how the eventual buyer sees the ad? I am certainly no mind reader....

    Anything for sale on a public posting is fair game....if someone is looking for a particular machine, they just need to be doing their homework and really looking. That's what I did to find my 2nd Davis....I got it for a fair price, and had to drive a distance to get it, but it was what I wanted.

    As Glenn said, this is a Free Enterprise country. Supply and demand will always set prices...but there are literally millions of machines out there, and new ones show up every day. Let's not get all hung up on this...we'll all be looking over our shoulders soon to see who is sneaking up to grab our machines!

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    Quote Originally Posted by grayhare View Post
    I didn't realize that posting the above listing would cause such a problem. It's not like nobody looks on CL.
    We are only dealing with sewing machines, and sometimes overpriced!
    They may be just sewing machines, but yes, there are a few people that will mow others over with no consideration to get a "deal" or for whatever reason. I post links to CL machines too, machines I don't know anyone is interested in. But I've just learned to PM certain folks with the links or e-mail them privately to make sure others don't elbow them in the face to be first in line. Sadly, it's happened here:< And others do the same for me.

    I didn't mean to try to tell you that you did something wrong. You are entitled to free speech in America :> We just need to be careful. Eyes are everywhere. Am I paranoid? Maybe, but a few things have happened here on this forum that make me that way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jljack View Post
    I agree, Annamaria! We all find bargains here and there...if someone puts a Heads Up on here for a particular person, well, those ads are posted online and anyone can see them!! Who knows how the eventual buyer sees the ad? I am certainly no mind reader....

    Anything for sale on a public posting is fair game....if someone is looking for a particular machine, they just need to be doing their homework and really looking. That's what I did to find my 2nd Davis....I got it for a fair price, and had to drive a distance to get it, but it was what I wanted.

    As Glenn said, this is a Free Enterprise country. Supply and demand will always set prices...but there are literally millions of machines out there, and new ones show up every day. Let's not get all hung up on this...we'll all be looking over our shoulders soon to see who is sneaking up to grab our machines!
    There is history here on this forum that you don't know about! Enough said.

    If Nancy says, " I want a red machine." Well, I'll e-mail her or PM her because I know she's had some not nice experiences with lurkers and machines she was interested in, here. I'm not getting hung up I'm just suggesting that if you know someone in particular is looking for X machine and you see it on CL, then tell them privately.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jljack View Post
    I agree, Annamaria! We all find bargains here and there...if someone puts a Heads Up on here for a particular person, well, those ads are posted online and anyone can see them!! Who knows how the eventual buyer sees the ad? I am certainly no mind reader....

    Anything for sale on a public posting is fair game....if someone is looking for a particular machine, they just need to be doing their homework and really looking. That's what I did to find my 2nd Davis....I got it for a fair price, and had to drive a distance to get it, but it was what I wanted.

    As Glenn said, this is a Free Enterprise country. Supply and demand will always set prices...but there are literally millions of machines out there, and new ones show up every day. Let's not get all hung up on this...we'll all be looking over our shoulders soon to see who is sneaking up to grab our machines!
    Yes we don't need to be looking over our shoulder and who is trying to out do us but we do need to understand the history here.
    Glenn W. Cleveland

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    Quote Originally Posted by Candace View Post
    There is history here on this forum that you don't know about! Enough said.

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    How do you know that Janice doesn't know the history? If you are going to make a posting like this then you have to back it up.

    Geez...I really dislike posts like this: I know something that you don't know...I'm not going to tell...but you have to trust me since I know the history and you don't... so,now shut up (the enough said)...and trust me, do as I say.

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    Quote Originally Posted by grayhare View Post
    I didn't realize that posting the above listing would cause such a problem. It's not like nobody looks on CL.
    We are only dealing with sewing machines, and sometimes overpriced!
    I agree that we are only dealing with sewing machines...geez.

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    Monica, no need for anger. It's just not my story and I don't feel I can share it. And name names. It's really not that big of a deal. Did I tell anyone to shut up or be rude? No...though I'm getting some rudeness back for only stating the obvious that if we really want to help someone find something they're seeking we should be careful of those who lurk here. Wow.

    NEVER MIND!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by purplefiend View Post
    The 301 is a slant shank machine, the walking foot for the FW won't work as it is a short shank machine.
    Double drat! I wanted to make my quilt totally on my 301. Now I might have to switch to the even feed machine. Thanks for info.

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    Quote Originally Posted by grannysewer View Post
    Double drat! I wanted to make my quilt totally on my 301. Now I might have to switch to the even feed machine. Thanks for info.
    Granny, you can try to quilt it on your 301 without a walking foot. I've never done that, but several 301 owners swear that all they have to do is lessen the pressure foot pressure and they do very well with that. Of course, you may want to try a few samples. I generally use walking feet on my machines, but the 301 doesn't have one one the market that fits its feed dogs correctly. Yes, they "work" but not as engineered. But, maybe give it a shot without the walking foot and reduce the pressure?

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