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    Quote Originally Posted by chris_quilts View Post
    Lee; You might have warned us with a Drool Alert title for your post. She is just beautiful.
    Yeah - love that face plate - must be an older model.
    NEVER let a sewing machine know you are in a hurry.
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    http://kansascity.craigslist.org/atq/3352255730.html

    I believe this is actually a Priscilla and allegedly the woman used it about 3 years ago but cannot tell me any info re the needle size, bobbin size or whether it has attachments. Her DH was surprised when I asked about a manual. His reply was that it was an 1880s machine and I shouldn't expect a manual but was surprised when I told him I owned a pre 1900 machine that had come with a manual. Will look on ISMACS but does anyone know anything about this machine? I think it is a Priscilla and not a Percilla.
    I meant to behave......but there were too many other options

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    Re the Priscilla: If it is a Davis, it might take a 15X1 needle, otherwise it will take the elusive 20X1 needle. Possible manufacturers are Davis, Household & New Home. Possible needles are Boye #2, #4 and #14. Considering adopting this machine but I'd like to know a bit more. The gal, alleged seamstress, said she had a bunch and couldn't rightly remember this machine.
    I meant to behave......but there were too many other options

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    Donna, There is not a lot out there that I have found about the White machines and their history. Is it a FR (Free Rotary) machine? Serial # Fr XXXXXX? From what I can gather, the white Sewing Machine Co. either didn't keep very good records or they were lost in general or in a flood or a fire. They made a lot of machines for different labels. Kenmore being one of them. Do you have a specific question on a specific machine? I have had a few White Rotary machines and I am pretty familiar with them. If you would like to PM me I can see if I can help and would be glad to do so. If it is a FR (Free Rotary) I bet I can answer almost any question other than date and place of manufacture. The New Home would depend on what model and where it was made. Some were made in Germany some in the US (I think by White) but most were made in Japan.
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    Cathy and Grant,
    Thank you both for adding to my list of resources. There is so much to learn!!! Do either of you, or anyone else, know of a really informative site for vintage/antique White DSM? I have 3 in my garage awaiting restoration (after Christmas, I imagine) and would like more knowledge. I called and got the year for 2 of them but no info on number 3. I also have an old New Home that I want to learn more about if you have any good references for them. Thanks a bunch to you both and all on the board for sharing info.
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    Chris, that is a very unique machine. The upper tension is on the faceplate and the foot plates are square and "D" shaped. Both traits are unusual along with with the spool holders like they are raised up and with the access port in an egg shape. My first guess because of the decoration was that it was a badged machine, but I really don't think it was a mainstream badge manufacturer either. Even the Treadle base is unusual. It arches very high and has no top arch. It bolts directly to the cabinet just above the oval, so no clues there. The one thing that is getting to me is that it looks like it has a Lotus Blossom in the decoration. Very few machines made outside Japan had a Lotus Blossom on them. In fact, I know of none, but this is a very unique machine indeed. Just small details will help. The Bobbin winder is usually the tell all for them. This one looks straight shafted and is a Treadle powered winder and that is not unusual. Also there is no lug on the machine body where a motor or a hand crank would mount. That tells me that it was made before 1903 or so. Singers have that lug on them starting in 1901 and all Singers had them from 1903 and on. Other manufacturers followed suit. When you find out, I for one would like to know where it was made and who made it. I would put a standard needle in it and roll it forward and listen to hear if it is hitting or binding. Then do the same with it threaded to see if it will sew before handing over any money on it. Needles on some odd ball machines are impossible to find. Cool Machine! I like it! Good luck.
    Quote Originally Posted by chris_quilts View Post
    http://kansascity.craigslist.org/atq/3352255730.html

    I believe this is actually a Priscilla and allegedly the woman used it about 3 years ago but cannot tell me any info re the needle size, bobbin size or whether it has attachments. Her DH was surprised when I asked about a manual. His reply was that it was an 1880s machine and I shouldn't expect a manual but was surprised when I told him I owned a pre 1900 machine that had come with a manual. Will look on ISMACS but does anyone know anything about this machine? I think it is a Priscilla and not a Percilla.

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    Grant & Donna,
    Katie Farmer has been researching the White Sewing Machine Company's history for the past several years with the company's blessing and help. She has accrued a huge amount of information through thousands of hours of research. She is considered the expert on this brand. There are about 39 albums to go through on her webshots pages, but worth every minute.
    Please check out her webshots page here: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachnesobsession

    This page is on research of other brands: http://home-and-garden.webshots.com/...65618099lUeRKn

    BTW, the FR in the white name and model numbers means Family Rotary
    Cathy



    Quote Originally Posted by grant15clone View Post
    Donna, There is not a lot out there that I have found about the White machines and their history. Is it a FR (Free Rotary) machine? Serial # Fr XXXXXX? From what I can gather, the white Sewing Machine Co. either didn't keep very good records or they were lost in general or in a flood or a fire. They made a lot of machines for different labels. Kenmore being one of them. Do you have a specific question on a specific machine? I have had a few White Rotary machines and I am pretty familiar with them. If you would like to PM me I can see if I can help and would be glad to do so. If it is a FR (Free Rotary) I bet I can answer almost any question other than date and place of manufacture. The New Home would depend on what model and where it was made. Some were made in Germany some in the US (I think by White) but most were made in Japan.
    Cathy

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    I always do that! It is not "Free" it is "Family". Thank you for correcting me. It is FAMILY Rotary.

    BTW, the FR in the white name and model numbers means Family Rotary
    Cathy[/QUOTE]

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    Quote Originally Posted by grant15clone View Post
    Chris, that is a very unique machine. The upper tension is on the faceplate and the foot plates are square and "D" shaped. Both traits are unusual along with with the spool holders like they are raised up and with the access port in an egg shape. My first guess because of the decoration was that it was a badged machine, but I really don't think it was a mainstream badge manufacturer either. Even the Treadle base is unusual. It arches very high and has no top arch. It bolts directly to the cabinet just above the oval, so no clues there. The one thing that is getting to me is that it looks like it has a Lotus Blossom in the decoration. Very few machines made outside Japan had a Lotus Blossom on them. In fact, I know of none, but this is a very unique machine indeed. Just small details will help. The Bobbin winder is usually the tell all for them. This one looks straight shafted and is a Treadle powered winder and that is not unusual. Also there is no lug on the machine body where a motor or a hand crank would mount. That tells me that it was made before 1903 or so. Singers have that lug on them starting in 1901 and all Singers had them from 1903 and on. Other manufacturers followed suit. When you find out, I for one would like to know where it was made and who made it. I would put a standard needle in it and roll it forward and listen to hear if it is hitting or binding. Then do the same with it threaded to see if it will sew before handing over any money on it. Needles on some odd ball machines are impossible to find. Cool Machine! I like it! Good luck.
    Have to talk with DH and see what he says
    about another machine in the herd. Probably yes but occasionally he doesn't want to increase but to thin it. I just like it because it's the name of a very dear friend of mine.
    Chris
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    drool alert on craiglist featherweight http://grandrapids.craigslist.org/atq/3381544988.html

    Not the one I got.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lee231 View Post
    drool alert on craiglist featherweight http://grandrapids.craigslist.org/atq/3381544988.html

    Not the one I got.
    Sweeettt!!!!!!!!! Wish I were much closer.
    I meant to behave......but there were too many other options

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    The Priscilla sold and not to me. I do feel sad about it but it was not meant to be. OTOH, went to JoAnn's tonite and bought batting, 20 yards, at 75% off the price. It is Nature's Touch, very similar to Warm N Natural but $4 cheaper per yard. Bought what was left on the roll once I found out that my 25% off coupon was good even though the batting was already 50% off. Had a marvelous cutting clerk who really did good by me and all his other customers regarding end of bolt deals and had a scintillating personality to boot. Best customer service at cutting desk ever and I told him that too.
    Chris
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    Quote Originally Posted by lee231 View Post
    drool alert on craiglist featherweight http://grandrapids.craigslist.org/atq/3381544988.html

    Not the one I got.
    Such a pretty machine only 100 miles away. Too bad the news I received at the doctor's office today will be using up all my expendable cash in co-pays. I would like a little machine - my latest purchases have been space grabbers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by irishrose View Post
    Such a pretty machine only 100 miles away. Too bad the news I received at the doctor's office today will be using up all my expendable cash in co-pays. I would like a little machine - my latest purchases have been space grabbers.
    Judy, I have not been on the board for a few days, but this doesn't sound good! I hope whatever the problem is, that you will have a fast recovery!

    Nancy

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    Quote Originally Posted by chris_quilts View Post
    The Priscilla sold and not to me. I do feel sad about it but it was not meant to be. OTOH, went to JoAnn's tonite and bought batting, 20 yards, at 75% off the price. It is Nature's Touch, very similar to Warm N Natural but $4 cheaper per yard. Bought what was left on the roll once I found out that my 25% off coupon was good even though the batting was already 50% off. Had a marvelous cutting clerk who really did good by me and all his other customers regarding end of bolt deals and had a scintillating personality to boot. Best customer service at cutting desk ever and I told him that too.
    Chris
    Chris, I just ran out of Warm and Natural and Warm and White so I also need batting. Let us know how you like Nature's Touch! I am really thinking about going with a wool, but I don't think the quilt will be as washable! The wool battings are so light and soft - hugable - compared to the Warm and Natural's!

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    Quote Originally Posted by lee231 View Post
    Picked this up off craigslist the other day. First one of these I've got, in good shape and sews well.

    serial # AG700180
    Congratulations, Lee, on the little FW!

    Nancy

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    Quote Originally Posted by miriam View Post
    Well, I've been out spending money again... I found a Phoenix. This machine is pretty cool - made in Germany - 1950s
    it has a cam stack - I find it similar to the Singer 319 in some ways. I took pics but I don't know if they will post.
    Attachment 373728
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    Attachment 373729
    The bobbin has a flip down cover the case and bobbin ride in. Whole area is full of lint.
    There is a lever on the back to push as the lever for the disks is pushed to select design stitches
    There is no manual but I found a sales brochure in wonderful condition.
    Miriam, I love the Phoenix! You do find the coolest machines! I hope you are letting your shoulder heal!

    Nancy

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    ~sneaking in to say "HI!!"~ Busy, busy...but wanted to stop in and see how everyone is doing!

    Mizkaki! It's so good to see you posting again...and it's good to see the new folks too! Miriam and Glenn, are you two keeping everyone in line? Elections are almost done (YAY!!!), and I'll be able to spend more time on the board, and hopefully more time quilting! The spousal unit already gave me one of my gifts....he got me two fat quarter bundles of Timeless Treasure's "Vivienne" line...not only really pretty fabrics, but "Vivienne" (exact spelling) was my mother's name!

    I'll try to go back and read the posts....but in case I don't get time (I'm at work) give me a line on what everyone is up to!!
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    Charlee;
    Nice to see you back on. I missed out on a Priscilla treadle. Bummer ~ Chris
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    Quote Originally Posted by chris_quilts View Post
    Charlee;
    Nice to see you back on. I missed out on a Priscilla treadle. Bummer ~ Chris
    Thanks Chris!!
    I'm sorry you missed out on the Priscilla tho...that bites!
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    I will be cleaning up a Singer FW this afternoon!!! It has the older style face.
    NEVER let a sewing machine know you are in a hurry.
    good mothers let you lick the beaters - great mothers turn it off first

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    Quote Originally Posted by miriam View Post
    I will be cleaning up a Singer FW this afternoon!!! It has the older style face.
    Way cool... I've sure been looking at more Featherweights...even tho I don't use the one I have nearly enough!
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    Quote Originally Posted by miriam View Post
    I will be cleaning up a Singer FW this afternoon!!! It has the older style face.
    It had the needle in backwards.
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    I'm thinking the Phoenix takes some smaller needle... 1738 what ever that is...
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    Miriam,

    The Phoenix Rotary is made by Baer & Rempel and takes a round shank 16x1 needle. The 1738 is also the same length and in fact may be the same needle. The 16x1 needle is the same length as the DBx1, but may have a different diameter (which does change between mfgs). And BTW is the same length as the 15x1 needle.

    Cathy

    Quote Originally Posted by miriam View Post
    I'm thinking the Phoenix takes some smaller needle... 1738 what ever that is...
    Cathy

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    Now I wonder. I'm going to have to go take the needle out of the machine and look at it.
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