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    Quote Originally Posted by miriam View Post
    Now I wonder. I'm going to have to go take the needle out of the machine and look at it.
    I betcha it is a normal needle. I betcha it needs the industrial type - those are round at the top. It sews fine but that needle is tough to get out.
    Here should be a pic of the cam stack. I think there must be a way to change out the disks - I have a bunch more and no place for them to mount on the machine. Name:  Singer FW & Phoenix 283 004.JPG
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    I don't know if the second pic will turn up or not so I'll try again with a different shot
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    Ok here it is in the machine
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    I still haven't been able to clean the machine but I can't keep from going and stroking it just a bit now and then...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mizkaki View Post
    Miriam,

    The Phoenix Rotary is made by Baer & Rempel and takes a round shank 16x1 needle. The 1738 is also the same length and in fact may be the same needle. The 16x1 needle is the same length as the DBx1, but may have a different diameter (which does change between mfgs). And BTW is the same length as the 15x1 needle.

    Cathy
    I had a tough time getting the needle out of the machine. The round shank needles from the consew fit in there but are a bit longer so they won't sew. At least I know what to buy and I know it isn't the wrong length. It makes a very nice stitch but no power yet.
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    I picked up a FW this afternoon and figured out why the 'tension' didn't work... The needle was in backwards
    Some rough looking paint and scrubbed off decals but a very good condition machine - sounds good - I oiled it just a bit and test sewed. Great little machine. She's setting in front of the Phoenix
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    On the Phoenix, the lever next to the stitch length lever works the camstack selection. Very neat and good engineering.
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    wah - looks like the pics didn't show up. Wah.
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    miriam, pop the picture into Paint and resize it or Patrice has better directions. I had some like that. Same computer, same camera, go figure.

    I passed on a metal Riccar in perfect condition today. Nice looking machine if you like shiny cream color ones.

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    Quote Originally Posted by miriam View Post
    It had the needle in backwards.
    I remember many months ago when you had a needle in backwards also.

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    yeah that would be me... Back then I was mostly using and working on machines that had the needle go straight back - hadn't used many with the side mount... I guess I thought they all went in like the FW. It sure does mess up a machine when you put the needle in backwards. You taught me well, Glenn. I learned new stuff on that Phoenix - that regular needle is too fat for the Phoenix - it will go in but it is hard to get out. I'd sure hate to break one in there. We celebrated Wilbur's birthday last night - he wanted pumpkin pie with 3 candles.
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    It would be a PITB to make a gasket for my industrial machine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pinkCastleDH View Post
    Glass inserts? I don't suppose a person could make new ones, could they? What purpose do the inserts serve? Are the bobbins unobtainium? So far I'm scheduled to go see it Saturday morning
    Well, we decided against the W&W 8. We're really trying to stay focused on the hand cranks, Singers and New Homes at the moment. It's probably still sitting there just north of Madison if someone else is interested.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pinkCastleDH View Post
    Well, we decided against the W&W 8. We're really trying to stay focused on the hand cranks, Singers and New Homes at the moment. It's probably still sitting there just north of Madison if someone else is interested.
    you ought to go get it just to play with it - pretty cool engineering on them...
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    I would not run an industrial with out adequate oiling system - If it needs that oil pan - it needs that oil pan. Some do not use an oil pan at all. Be sure it has one if it needs one though. I don't know where to research those old industrial machines - I think it would be a good idea before buying one though. I've had several - some with pans some without. While they are still just a sewing machine they can be somewhat different. Some have odd ways of setting the stitch length some have no reverse - some take big bobbins some take regular household size bobbins. Most have oil wicks up inside - I've seen them dried hard. It might be wise to do a bit of research before buying one of them. They are pretty easy to find these days. 10 years or so ago they were hard to find and expensive. Now that we have factories all over the place closed down and CL - the price has gone down as well. I've seen the same ad on CL for a couple years now for one. It is either in pathetic shape or they guy doesn't answer or he had a ton of them to get rid of - the ad keeps coming up. Parts aren't always as easy to come by as the home machines.
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    Quote Originally Posted by miriam View Post
    you ought to go get it just to play with it - pretty cool engineering on them...
    Miriam - tell you what. You convince Herself and I'll do it . "We" was a little, um, ironic I guess, though she does have a point about the somewhat industrial appearance. I checked out manual and I agree that the engineering looks very cool - though I originally thought the hook ran directly on the same shaft the balance wheel sits on but instead it looks to be offset slightly (gear driven?)

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    Miriam,

    I just posted several of your pictures on your Phoenix thread. (Anyone Ever hear of a Phoenix Sewing Machine?)
    They look good.

    That is a really neat machine.

    Cathy

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    "Most sewing machine problems are due to the carbon based unit in the chair in front of the machine"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mizkaki View Post
    Miriam,

    I just posted several of your pictures on your Phoenix thread. (Anyone Ever hear of a Phoenix Sewing Machine?)
    They look good.

    That is a really neat machine.

    Cathy
    I'm very impressed by that machine. I was impressed with the old Pfaff machines as well but this one is so simple yet so well thought out. I can't wait to do more with it.

    Cathy where would you research industrial sewing machines if you were going to use one?
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    Miriam,

    Needlebar.org is a great resource.
    There is a Yahoo group: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Sewing...hines/messages
    The Smithsonian collection: http://www.sil.si.edu/DigitalCollect...wing-Machines/
    http://leatherworker.net/forum/ search for sewing machine discussions
    Bob Kovar at http://www.tolindsewmach.com/

    These should get you going.

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    Cathy where would you research industrial sewing machines if you were going to use one?
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    Quote Originally Posted by miriam View Post
    yeah that would be me... Back then I was mostly using and working on machines that had the needle go straight back - hadn't used many with the side mount... I guess I thought they all went in like the FW. It sure does mess up a machine when you put the needle in backwards. You taught me well, Glenn. I learned new stuff on that Phoenix - that regular needle is too fat for the Phoenix - it will go in but it is hard to get out. I'd sure hate to break one in there. We celebrated Wilbur's birthday last night - he wanted pumpkin pie with 3 candles.
    So Miriam, that means the little guy is completely well now?

    Nancy

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    Oh my yes Wilbur now has a LIFE - DD feels run over by a truck - he is making up for lost time. He can do about any animal imitation including moving like the animal and the sounds. He is talking in complete sentences now, he knows his numbers, colors, alphabet, etc and can sing in a very high falsetto just about anything he hears once - he's eating and using the potty with some success. Baby Walter is just trying to keep up...
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    Glass slipper

    Thanks to Cathy(Mizkaki) and her kind generosity My WW8 now has a beautiful glass slipper to show off instead of her old everyday shoe.
    Thanks again Cathy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mizkaki View Post
    Miriam,

    Needlebar.org is a great resource.
    There is a Yahoo group: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Sewing...hines/messages
    The Smithsonian collection: http://www.sil.si.edu/DigitalCollect...wing-Machines/
    http://leatherworker.net/forum/ search for sewing machine discussions
    Bob Kovar at http://www.tolindsewmach.com/

    These should get you going.

    Cathy
    Thank you - I get inquires all the time about machines that will sew leather. The vintage machines will ALL sew leather - it is a matter of how long they will continue to sew leather.
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    Name:  Pfaff 360incase.JPG
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Size:  1.78 MBWell, I finally had a chance to clean up, although, this machine was clean as a whistle already, my Pfaff 360 from 1965! I purchased this machine a couple weeks ago off of Craigslist, but had not played with it at all. I needed a machine to take to a sewing social last night to do some FM work. I took the 360 on Candace's recommendation!
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Size:  1.38 MB I loved using this machine to FM the table runner it is sitting on! It did an awesome job! I also got the case, no attachments with this baby! The bed extension drops down to make the machine a free arm.

    Nancy
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    Quote Originally Posted by Glenn View Post
    Thanks to Cathy(Mizkaki) and her kind generosity My WW8 now has a beautiful glass slipper to show off instead of her old everyday shoe.
    Thanks again Cathy.

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    you got your wish!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by BoJangles View Post
    I loved using this machine to FM the table runner it is sitting on! It did an awesome job! I also got the case, no attachments with this baby! The bed extension drops down to make the machine a free arm.

    Nancy
    sweet - a free arm!!!
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