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    Dee,

    To the best of my knowledge there is no handcrank available for the National made machines unless it comes from an old donor machine. The currently available after market handcranks are fitted to a machine by being positioned on the 'motor boss' that is under the handwheel. The Nationals do not have this style motorboss as a part of their casting.

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    QUOTE=craftiladi;5608241]Nancy I need to live in Rescue , between stray pets & sewing machines finding their way to my house...lol Seriously I am a born & raised Calif gal but currently live in Utah. I am open to any suggestions on my National hand crank situation, maybe Mizkaki will see this message and chime in. I am pretty new at all this repair stuff and yes still somewhat a chicken, afraid I will do more damage then intended...lol
    Miriam I wanted to send good wishs for your son.
    Have a great day Everyone.
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    Cathy

    "Most sewing machine problems are due to the carbon based unit in the chair in front of the machine"

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    Steve,

    The 201 also has a horizontal bobbin like the 66. The only difference is that the 201 is a rotary hook and the 66 is a oscillator. Most quilters will tell you that the vertical bobbin/ hook arrangement does better at free motion than the horizontal bobbin/ hook. However, there are those like Laura (Nurseknits) who do like the 201 for freemotion.
    Every rule has a exception.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IamaHam View Post
    I am going to answer two posts in this one so first how to free motion on the 66. It is my intention to set this machine up and optimize it for the quilting frame. The feed dogs will be removed and I am considering removing as much of the unneeded linkages as possible. These will be kept so that the machine can be restored with out much trouble. I want to keep the option of returning it to original condition. The bobbin threader will be removed and the motor will be raised the level of the upper arm so that the entire harp will be open and available. In stock condition the motor protrudes an inch or so into the area under the harp limiting the area available.


    I do not lubricate with WD 40 I only use it to free up the frozen parts. I follow up by flushing the working parts and bearings with kerosene to get rid of the WD and the goo it would leave if it were allowed to dry. I flush the kerosene with carb cleaner before lubricating everything with sewing machine oil. Each flushing breaks up and washes away more and different types of grime and varnish.


    Finally I am learning as I go and I have become aware that the model 66 bobbin configuration is not optimal. I have started looking at 201s and other vintage machines with larger than modern harps.
    Cathy

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    I think that may be the one. I guess I did not look that close the black machine has the general shape of the singers but not a singer.

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    Which vintage singer models have the vertical bobbin? I believe the 15-90 and 15-91 models have vertical bobbin arangements, are there others. Also does the 15 have the same area under the harp as the 66 and 201?

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    Steve,

    All of the class 15 machines are vertical bobbins and so are many of the Stylists. So are the 115, 301, 221, 206, 306, and 319. The 31-15 and -20 are also vertical bobbin machines and these have a huge working space to the right of the needle. As the class 31 is an industrial it weighs a ton. I think the class 31 would be a great FM machine especially on a frame.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IamaHam View Post
    Which vintage singer models have the vertical bobbin? I believe the 15-90 and 15-91 models have vertical bobbin arangements, are there others. Also does the 15 have the same area under the harp as the 66 and 201?
    Cathy

    "Most sewing machine problems are due to the carbon based unit in the chair in front of the machine"

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    Quote Originally Posted by wesing View Post
    Janice - I also like your name, but I have a funny twist for you. Our dear friend who recently passed away was Sarah Janice. All her friends from up north knew her as Sarah, but her mother and all her friends here called her Janice. Her name is pronounced Ju-NEES.
    That is interesting. My friend in Mexico calls me Junees, or close to it! LOL

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mizkaki View Post
    Steve,

    All of the class 15 machines are vertical bobbins and so are many of the Stylists. So are the 115, 301, 221, 206, 306, and 319. The 31-15 and -20 are also vertical bobbin machines and these have a huge working space to the right of the needle. As the class 31 is an industrial it weighs a ton. I think the class 31 would be a great FM machine especially on a frame.

    Cathy
    Cathy, I have two 31-20's and an industrial Hitachi treadle that would make a great FM machine too! I need to get a bigger house - right now the two 31s are sitting in a stall in my barn to use for horse tack repair. The Hitachi is sitting in my storage cargo sewing machine museum!

    Nancy

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    Quote Originally Posted by grayhare View Post
    Anamaria, I love that blog! I thought she was just joking with the 'Armpit' quilting thing, but she is really 'armpit' quilting her quilt! How funny! I wonder why she took the Pfaff 1222 off the frame to put on the Japanese clone? I am guessing it is because those Japanese clones are very cheaply purchased machines, and the Pfaff is going for much much more even used? She doesn't want to take a chance on burning the Pfaff up? Anyway, I like her idea, but I'd put a bigger industrial type machine on that frame like Cathy said!

    Nancy

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    Quote Originally Posted by miriam View Post
    so where would be a good source???
    Miriam, why don't you just go on line and order a whole roll of treadle belt? That is what I did! That way you cut off the correct length of treadle belt you need for each machine! You don't waste any of the leather belt like you do when you order the belts individually - then have to trim the belt to fit your machine!

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    Going to take you on your word. Billy.
    I am new to quilting and vintage machines.
    My first was a 1935 Singer 15 90. Had been in a flood and sat in a garage for 15 years after that.
    My DH cleaned her up and she runs so well I do not use any machine but that.
    The cabinet was not any good at all. so she is sitting quite well in a Black and Decker work bench for now.
    At least I can use it and have made a rag flannel quilt for my mom who is 97 !! and still lives alone and does cross word puzzles!! Anyway, now I have her old treadle Singer I sewed on when I was in high school. It has been in a fire
    when her house burned down and has been in a garage since 2003.
    It cleaned up well but most of the beautiful designs are worn off, but it sure looks like a red eye to me.
    Checking sites on computer says it is a model 66 or 66-1. Cast iron part of treadle is fine, cabinet is terrible except for the drawers. It moves well since my husband has cleaned and oiled her. I want to try her so bad.
    I have been calling and checking Salvation Army here and in NJ when we were there. No lock for a cabinet.
    We are in NC near Raleigh. WIll keep looking and thanks for listening.
    I also picked up a featherweight in great shape while we were in NJ to see mom. Love it also. Guess I am hooked.
    Hope you do get your own space here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by miriam View Post
    Is that that 3/4 size machine you posted? I think the place where the motor went might be sloped too much - Does it have two boss holes? I bet those holes are not original - someone might have converted it to electric. You might be able to HC with a knife sharpening crank or something. You might have to get creative on that one - put the machine in a box made of 2x4s or something then put a crank of some kind on the end of that. Nancy is right those HCs you buy won't assemble. They might go on a clone though - I've had one on a Japanese deluxe zzer so you never know - the place it goes on has to be flat enough for the HC to go flush and at the right angle.
    ahhh I hadn't even thought about the slope...good thinking on your part-huge thanks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mizkaki View Post
    Steve,

    All of the class 15 machines are vertical bobbins and so are many of the Stylists. So are the 115, 301, 221, 206, 306, and 319. The 31-15 and -20 are also vertical bobbin machines and these have a huge working space to the right of the needle. As the class 31 is an industrial it weighs a ton. I think the class 31 would be a great FM machine especially on a frame.

    Cathy
    I have been looking up the class 31 machines today and they look like they would work great on a machine frame. Exactly what do they measure from needle to post?

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    Steve,

    I'm not home until tomorrow afternoon. I'll get that measurement for you then, unless someone else with a 31 pipes in first.

    Cathy

    Quote Originally Posted by IamaHam View Post
    I have been looking up the class 31 machines today and they look like they would work great on a machine frame. Exactly what do they measure from needle to post?
    Cathy

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    Quote Originally Posted by BoJangles View Post
    Laura, couldn't you finish the quilt on a different machine? I always get in trouble when I am in a hurry - I think it is some kind of unwritten rule!

    Nancy
    I'm going to have to, but I am worried the stitching will look different- not from the machine, from me being unused to the machine. But oh well, I guess no one will notice, laura

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mizkaki View Post
    Steve,

    I'm not home until tomorrow afternoon. I'll get that measurement for you then, unless someone else with a 31 pipes in first.



    Cathy
    Don't know about exactly, but with a quilters ruler 14 1/8 inches. Laura

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    I'd say that that makes the 31's throat/ working space about double that of the average home machine. I'd also say that the 31 would make one heck of a FM machine.

    Cathy

    Quote Originally Posted by nurseknitsLaura View Post
    Don't know about exactly, but with a quilters ruler 14 1/8 inches. Laura
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    Laura,

    Tomorrow is Friday. Got any machines that are misbehaving?

    Cathy
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    Quote Originally Posted by nurseknitsLaura View Post
    Don't know about exactly, but with a quilters ruler 14 1/8 inches. Laura
    Geeze, even I didn't realize the 31's were that big! That is getting close to a long arm size! I would have measured my two 31's, but they are in the barn. Now I want to go measure them, and measure my Hitachi treadle just to see how large it is - I love that Hitachi!

    Cathy I can see HCing a 31 if you just want to mend something like horse tack. My 31's scared the heck out of me when I first started to use them - they are so extremely fast! With a HC, I could go really slow to get perfect stitches - especially in something where the stitches are part of the design!

    Cathy, have you seen my Hitachi? I need to take a new photo - I sanded and re-stained the table - he is very purrrty now! This is an original photo - before his re-do!

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    Quote Originally Posted by nurseknitsLaura View Post
    I'm going to have to, but I am worried the stitching will look different- not from the machine, from me being unused to the machine. But oh well, I guess no one will notice, laura
    Laura, I'd bet you won't see much of a difference in your stitches! Besides, you might find that you have another great FM machine! It is always great to have a back up machine!

    Nancy

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    Ok you guys, I am out of control! I just bought another Pfaff from Miriam - how could I resist? She shipped me a Pfaff 230 - it should arrive in the next few days! I am really excited to get this new machine. It is very similar to my Pfaff 260 - also from Miriam!

    Then yesterday I bought a Pfaff 360 off of Craigslist! I haven't shown that one to my husband yet! I can't help it, I have a real soft spot for the vintage Pfaff's! Now, even after giving away and selling a few of my machines last summer, I still have over 50 machines - out of control I tell you! I need to thin my herd again, but I won't part with any of the Pfaff's, Singer 301's, Rocketeers, FW's, or any of my treadles! Hummmmmm, yep out of control!

    I will post photos when my new 230 arrives! Miriam is the best at packing and shipping sewing machines!

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    Nancy,

    Good point about how to use a HC 31. I never thought about it that way, but then again I don't have a horse ( I only have a cockatiel (my baby)). And my 31 is a treadle, so he's a real slow kind of guy.

    I haven't seen your Hitachi in person, only pictures. I agree, he's real purrrrrty.

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    [ QUOTE=BoJangles;5613293]

    Cathy I can see HCing a 31 if you just want to mend something like horse tack. My 31's scared the heck out of me when I first started to use them - they are so extremely fast! With a HC, I could go really slow to get perfect stitches - especially in something where the stitches are part of the design!

    Cathy, have you seen my Hitachi? I need to take a new photo - I sanded and re-stained the table - he is very purrrty now! This is an original photo - before his re-do!

    Nancy

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    Out of control? Gee I never cold understand how anyone could ever get out of control.




    Quote Originally Posted by BoJangles View Post
    Ok you guys, I am out of control! I just bought another Pfaff

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    Quote Originally Posted by IamaHam View Post
    I have been looking up the class 31 machines today and they look like they would work great on a machine frame. Exactly what do they measure from needle to post?
    I just found a post from the main forum about them that says it's roughly 10.5" clear space. Not that I've ever seen one, mind you.

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    OUT. Of. CONTROL??? AHEM.... sigh... aren't we all??? But who else will rescue all those sewing machines before they hit a land fill???
    I always bite my nails waiting to be sure that the shipping is ok. I hope that got there safely Nancy. They guy over at FedEx loves your address. He says, 'You're always shipping something there...." He is a hoot. He also remembered that my sister helped me pack one up.
    NEVER let a sewing machine know you are in a hurry.
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    I am not out of control at the moment. I left one of the pretty gold colored New Homes at the resale store yesterday. It was another 15 clone, though very basic. Interesting note was the motor set up very high and the wheel ran off a rubber ring similar to a bobbin winder and the bobbin winder was on the back. Machine looked good with new wiring, but the cabinet was a little rough.

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