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    Nancy,

    That machine is a Singer and technically that is not a reproduction. It is a modern machine made to look like the old ones. It's "nostalgic".

    I do however think you are between the rock and the hard place. This is not a win situation. She will not be happy when she finds out, whether or not she finds out from you or anyone else.

    I probably would tell her, as gently as I could. Do remind her that it is a Singer.

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    [QUOTE=BoJangles;55883 this is just sad. My girl friend called me so excited. She'd found a Singer sphinx at an auction. It had been auctioned off before she had a chance to view the machine. She talked an "antique" dealer who had just paid $50 for the machine to sell it to her for $90. She thought it was so pretty that she was willing to give him the $40 extra. Well, she sent me a photo! Geeze, I didn't know if I should just keep my mouth shut about what she had, or tell her the truth? Anyway, I decided to tell her that she didn't have a vintage HC at all, but a modern reproduction of the original Singer model 15 with a Sphinx decal - probably made in either Taiwan or China. What do you guys think? Do you think I should not have burst her bubble?

    Nancy[/QUOTE]
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    Quote Originally Posted by miriam View Post
    Yeah and at least it isn't a plastic wonder sewing machine.
    Oh, And the bobbin winders on these machines usually work better too.

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    You had to tell her. You're the expert and she respects your opinion. If you didn't say anything you wouldn't be much of a friend. Besides, auctions are places where you have to make split second decisions. My DH and I love going to auctions and have gotten some fantastic bargains but we've made a mistake or two as well. It happends. I'm sure she will be a little disappointed but lesson learned and for sure, she won't make that mistake again.

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    Attachment 370100Ok this is just sad. My girl friend called me so excited. She'd found a Singer sphinx at an auction. It had been auctioned off before she had a chance to view the machine. She talked an "antique" dealer who had just paid $50 for the machine to sell it to her for $90. She thought it was so pretty that she was willing to give him the $40 extra. Well, she sent me a photo! Geeze, I didn't know if I should just keep my mouth shut about what she had, or tell her the truth? Anyway, I decided to tell her that she didn't have a vintage HC at all, but a modern reproduction of the original Singer model 15 with a Sphinx decal - probably made in either Taiwan or China. What do you guys think? Do you think I should not have burst her bubble?

    Nancy

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mizkaki View Post
    I have a fiddle base Household. It takes the Boye#2 needle, which is no longer available. It stitches beautifully.
    I don't have anymore information on them. I may have a copy of a manual. I can look when I get home. I'm at the doctors office right now.

    Cathy
    Thank you Kathy! I'm curious most as to what dates they were made and what part of the country. The one I'm looking at is not a fiddlebase model and from what I could find on Needlebar it looks to be a later machine. "Later" is relative though to what years the machines were produced! Lol* Does later mean 1890's or does later mean 1930's? Lol* ISMACS shows that they were produced by Provinence Tool Company but I don't know much more than that. Any help is appreciated!
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    Quote Originally Posted by jljack View Post
    Hi Everyone! I've been away from here for a while, due to access issues with my work computer, but appears I can get back on. Hope everyone is good. I lurk sometimes from home, and I see Charlee has had some health issues. I sent her a PM last night.

    Well, I got another old Davis VF1...it's probably 1893. I got it locally, which was amazing!! Not in great shape, but she sews well. The cabinet is damaged, so DH has some work to do. He has it clamped together right now so it won't shake apart when I treadle her. The coffin top is with it (amazingly!), but it's damaged, too, so another repair job. Overall I'm very happy with her...she came with some of her attachments and some needles and some bobbins. She was in the same family for about 85 years, and stored in a hot garage for the last 35 years. I'm glad I got to rescue her...the guy's mother was going to take her to the dump!! Here's a pic.
    The Davis was a great save...it IS amazing what people will scrap.

    Quote Originally Posted by BoJangles View Post
    Ok this is just sad. My girl friend called me so excited. She'd found a Singer sphinx at an auction. It had been auctioned off before she had a chance to view the machine. She talked an "antique" dealer who had just paid $50 for the machine to sell it to her for $90. She thought it was so pretty that she was willing to give him the $40 extra. Well, she sent me a photo! Geeze, I didn't know if I should just keep my mouth shut about what she had, or tell her the truth? Anyway, I decided to tell her that she didn't have a vintage HC at all, but a modern reproduction of the original Singer model 15 with a Sphinx decal - probably made in either Taiwan or China. What do you guys think? Do you think I should not have burst her bubble?

    Nancy
    I agree with those above who said tell her, gently. I didn't even know such a thing could happen...good to know!
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    Send me a PM with your email and I'll send you a 4 page PDF of abbreviated instructions for the Household. I don't have a full manual only these pages (they were typed out, not a copy of an original manual).

    Cathy

    Quote Originally Posted by pumpkinpatchquilter View Post
    Thank you Kathy! I'm curious most as to what dates they were made and what part of the country. The one I'm looking at is not a fiddlebase model and from what I could find on Needlebar it looks to be a later machine. "Later" is relative though to what years the machines were produced! Lol* Does later mean 1890's or does later mean 1930's? Lol* ISMACS shows that they were produced by Provinence Tool Company but I don't know much more than that. Any help is appreciated!
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    I'm afraid that my poor old heart wouldn't have continued beating if I had been the one to hear that this beauty was headed for the dump. Bless you for giving her "rebirth" into a new and better life with you. (sigh) Makes me wonder how they treat their elderly (human) family members!
    Quote Originally Posted by jljack View Post
    Hi Everyone! I've been away from here for a while, due to access issues with my work computer, but appears I can get back on. Hope everyone is good. I lurk sometimes from home, and I see Charlee has had some health issues. I sent her a PM last night.

    Well, I got another old Davis VF1...it's probably 1893. I got it locally, which was amazing!! Not in great shape, but she sews well. The cabinet is damaged, so DH has some work to do. He has it clamped together right now so it won't shake apart when I treadle her. The coffin top is with it (amazingly!), but it's damaged, too, so another repair job. Overall I'm very happy with her...she came with some of her attachments and some needles and some bobbins. She was in the same family for about 85 years, and stored in a hot garage for the last 35 years. I'm glad I got to rescue her...the guy's mother was going to take her to the dump!! Here's a pic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mizkaki View Post
    Nancy,

    That machine is a Singer and technically that is not a reproduction. It is a modern machine made to look like the old ones. It's "nostalgic".

    I do however think you are between the rock and the hard place. This is not a win situation. She will not be happy when she finds out, whether or not she finds out from you or anyone else.

    I probably would tell her, as gently as I could. Do remind her that it is a Singer.

    cathy
    Cathy, I love the term "nostalgic!" Well, my friend is really disappointed. She didn't know about the reproductions, I mean 'nostalgic" machines! Cathy, why do you say remind her it is a Singer? Do you think because it is a modern Singer, it is a better machine? Just curious as I really respect your opinion of the manufacturers, and I have always thought the modern Singers are not very good machines!

    Monica, why to you say the repro's wind a bobbin better? Again just curious, I love to learn new things about these machines!

    Miriam, you are right that machine is not a plastic wonder, but what is it made of? I have never picked one up. I've seen a couple treadles at the sewing machine repair shop. To me they looked cheap and were already falling apart. I'd love to really get up close and personal with one of the "nostalgic" machines just to see how well they are made and what they are made out of! Anyone know? Remember when Billy was going to import and sell those machines?

    Joe, thank you for the link to the India manufacturer! I sent that link to my girl friend to try to make her feel better. They are very pretty machines!

    Pumpkinpatch, yes those machines do exist in hand cranks and in treadles. A very big clue is the color of the decals. The decals are always over the top, kind of gaudy compared to the original decals. A second clue is that there is no serial number on the bed next to the arm of the machine! All the very old Singers had a serial number right where the arm came up from the bed of the machine! If you see a machine with a weird color or different decals and there is a serial number on the bed - it is probably a re-do of a very old machine!

    Jean thank you for the compliment, but you have the wrong person! Like all of us, I am learning something new all the time about the vintage and antique machines!

    Nancy

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mizkaki View Post
    Send me a PM with your email and I'll send you a 4 page PDF of abbreviated instructions for the Household. I don't have a full manual only these pages (they were typed out, not a copy of an original manual).

    Cathy
    - PM sent, and I apologize for misspelling Cathy!! I am friends with a Kathy so it's force of habit!


    Nancy - So glad you pointed this out as my Husband is often my "picker". I think I might get excited if I see one now just to say I SAW it!!
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    Nancy,

    Do you remember when I showed my Singer 15 with the RAF decals in 2010? Back then I was questioning if that was a real Singer or a copy. The machine has a machine plate # of 15BG168.

    The machine that your friend has and my machine both look almost the same, just that her machine has those bright decals and her bobbin winder is slightly different. Here is a photo of my machine. My machine has a very nice part to the bobbin winder that helps keep the winder down in place ( silver thing with sliver button top -same as your friends). It was the improved method for the winders. My machine was manufactured 1963 in Taichung Taiwan. Short story I discovered this new improved winder works so much nicer.

    Longer story...
    At one time I had switched the spoke wheel and bobbin winder on this machine with my other Singer 15 (1946) without a spoke wheel that I have in treadle. That machine got a motorectomy and sat in treadle. At the time of switching, I thought one needed a spoke wheel on the machine to be treadled. It wasn't until reading Sharon's, purplefiends, posts that I learned from her that I could treadle with the the wheel that came with my older Singer 15. So, in the process of using the newer bobbin winder, I discovered how much nicer it worked. Later I switched the winder and wheel back onto the Singer 15 shown in picture so that I could add the HC with those lovely Chinese character that say made in China. Now when I use the Singer 15 in treadle, I pull out this Singer just to use its bobbin winder since it is the better winder.
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    Nancy,

    These nostalgic machines are made for Singer, therefore are Singers. However they are nowhere the quality of
    those of yesteryear. I said to remind her that its a Singer because the Singer name does tend to make people think/ believe that they have a quality product (even though we know otherwise) and you are trying to let her down gently.

    These nostalgic machines are still better than the POS plastic wonders that are today sold in that $100.00 price range.

    You asked what they are made of. Cast metal just like the old ones, but not they same quality from what I've seen.
    Those that I have seem had castings that were much rougher and chipping and peeling. The paint was bubbly and lifting. AND the decals were very gaudy.

    I agree with you on how to spot those nostalgic machines, but don't forget to look for the plastic knob on the bed (feed dog drop). The old black Singers never had a feed dog drop on the bed.

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    Don't worry about the misspelling. I've spent my whole life with people spelling my name with a "K".
    My "soon to be" ex's family has never gotten it correct since his first wife was a Kathy with a "K".


    Quote Originally Posted by pumpkinpatchquilter View Post
    - PM sent, and I apologize for misspelling Cathy!! I am friends with a Kathy so it's force of habit!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mizkaki View Post
    Don't worry about the misspelling. I've spent my whole life with people spelling my name with a "K".
    My "soon to be" ex's family has never gotten it correct since his first wife was a Kathy with a "K".
    Oh heavens, so sorry to hear it, and you deserve your rightful C!! I will not forget again. Those things matter to some degree, don't they? I think they do. Many people over the years have called me Val...but I'm a Valerie. It's a little thing, not a big deal, but if you know me, I'm certainly no Val, lol*, and I have always preferred my full first name. It definitely makes a difference when someone notices or remembers. Silly as it might sound!
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    Quote Originally Posted by pumpkinpatchquilter View Post
    Oh heavens, so sorry to hear it, and you deserve your rightful C!! I will not forget again. Those things matter to some degree, don't they? I think they do. Many people over the years have called me Val...but I'm a Valerie. It's a little thing, not a big deal, but if you know me, I'm certainly no Val, lol*, and I have always preferred my full first name. It definitely makes a difference when someone notices or remembers. Silly as it might sound!
    You don't want to know how many ways to spell or pronounce Miriam - but when I call you on the phone you will know it is I.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vintagemotif View Post
    Nancy,

    Do you remember when I showed my Singer 15 with the RAF decals in 2010? Back then I was questioning if that was a real Singer or a copy. The machine has a machine plate # of 15BG168.

    The machine that your friend has and my machine both look almost the same, just that her machine has those bright decals and her bobbin winder is slightly different. Here is a photo of my machine. My machine has a very nice part to the bobbin winder that helps keep the winder down in place ( silver thing with sliver button top -same as your friends). It was the improved method for the winders. My machine was manufactured 1963 in Taichung Taiwan. Short story I discovered this new improved winder works so much nicer.

    Longer story...
    At one time I had switched the spoke wheel and bobbin winder on this machine with my other Singer 15 (1946) without a spoke wheel that I have in treadle. That machine got a motorectomy and sat in treadle. At the time of switching, I thought one needed a spoke wheel on the machine to be treadled. It wasn't until reading Sharon's, purplefiends, posts that I learned from her that I could treadle with the the wheel that came with my older Singer 15. So, in the process of using the newer bobbin winder, I discovered how much nicer it worked. Later I switched the winder and wheel back onto the Singer 15 shown in picture so that I could add the HC with those lovely Chinese character that say made in China. Now when I use the Singer 15 in treadle, I pull out this Singer just to use its bobbin winder since it is the better winder.
    Yes, Monica I remember this machine. My first clue that your machine was a 'later' model is the placement of the serial number! Yes, Cathy, I did see the plastic feed dog drop knob too - yes a 3rd clue for me always! Thank you Monica for explaining the different bobbin winders using your machine! Great example of a 'later' model of the original! Monica, I am curious does your machine say made in Taiwan? It is too bad my friend didn't see that! She is so disappointed that her HC is a reproduction model of the original - she is especially disappointed that it wasn't even made here in this country, much less the original real deal.

    Nancy

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    Quote Originally Posted by BoJangles View Post

    Jean thank you for the compliment, but you have the wrong person! Like all of us, I am learning something new all the time about the vintage and antique machines!

    Nancy
    I don't think anyone knows 'everything' about these machines but I'm such a newby that all of you seem to be experts to me..... you deserve the compliment.... don't cut yourself short! I appreciate all the advice I've gotten on this board.

    nanna (Jean)

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    Ok Cathy as much as I love you and your knowledge I have to differ with the 'reproduction' or 'nostalgic' terms. I couldn't sleep last night and thought about the two terms. The 'nostalgic' does have a certain romantic notion, but to me does not describe those machines so I looked up the meaning of both terms.

    Reproduce, reproduction, means the process of making a copy of something . . . . made by reproducing an original, copy, duplicate . . . etc.

    Nostalgic mean a sentimental or wishful yearning for the happiness felt in a former time, place, or situation . . . a sentimental longing for the past, typically for a period or place with happy personal associations.

    I know all of us could probably use either term to describe those machines that are copies of the original Singers, but to me they will always be a reproduced copy. I can't think of them as nostalgic, even though that term does sound much nicer!

    Cathy you are just such a sweet person, you want the nice term used, but is it really the correct term?

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    Quote Originally Posted by pumpkinpatchquilter View Post
    - PM sent, and I apologize for misspelling Cathy!! I am friends with a Kathy so it's force of habit!


    Nancy - So glad you pointed this out as my Husband is often my "picker". I think I might get excited if I see one now just to say I SAW it!!
    Valerie, the first time I saw one of the reproduced machines I was dumbfounded! I didn't know they existed either! I knew there are treadles still being produced for the Amish and countries with little or no electricity. The 'new' treadles I had seen produced for the Amish, for example, looked like a modern machine that does decorative stitches, etc., - they were just in a treadle. I didn't know about those machines being produced to duplicate original Singers. The first one I actually saw in person was at my Sewing Repair guy's shop. It looked like an original, but different. It didn't look as well made, it looked smaller - maybe because the treadle was small - it looked gaudy, it looked beat up already, and it was having lots of problems - hence in the repair shop. But, seeing it amazed me to no end! I had no idea it was a reproduction until Billy came up one day with the notion he was going to import and sell those machines here. I think, he found there were not too many people here in the US interested in buying an American icon being reproduced in Taiwan or somewhere else so he dropped the idea. Here in the Vintage shop, we all want the real deal even though I think I would have bought that repro HC that my friend bought just to have one to show off and explain to people what it was!

    Nancy

    Oh Cathy, I just thought of something - how about a compromise! We will call those machines a "duplicate" of an original Singer!
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    Quote Originally Posted by nanna-up-north View Post
    I don't think anyone knows 'everything' about these machines but I'm such a newby that all of you seem to be experts to me..... you deserve the compliment.... don't cut yourself short! I appreciate all the advice I've gotten on this board.

    nanna (Jean)
    Jean you are sweet, and I too appreciate all that I have learned in the 3 + years I have visited here!

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    Quote Originally Posted by BoJangles View Post
    Yes, Monica I remember this machine. My first clue that your machine was a 'later' model is the placement of the serial number! Yes, Cathy, I did see the plastic feed dog drop knob too - yes a 3rd clue for me always! Thank you Monica for explaining the different bobbin winders using your machine! Great example of a 'later' model of the original! Monica, I am curious does your machine say made in Taiwan? It is too bad my friend didn't see that! She is so disappointed that her HC is a reproduction model of the original - she is especially disappointed that it wasn't even made here in this country, much less the original real deal.

    Nancy
    Nancy, I looked all over the machine for a marking stating made in Taiwan, but I don't see one. This is a photo of the underside for you. All metal with Singer stamped parts. You can see the serial # ND976655 stamped into the machine. I looked that number up back in 2010; back then, the Singer's list stated that it was made in Taichung Taiwan.

    Nancy, you state that she has a HC to this machine. I see a portion of it in the picture. That HC is much better than the HC I have to my machine. Is the HC handle wood or plastic? Another plus to that machine is that it came with a nice HC. How much are Singer HC going for these days on Ebay? She could always swap the wheel and HC onto another machine for use. I know you don't like to do that since you like to keep all original parts on each machine. But let us just look at it as an big IF she wants a spoked wheel and HC on a different machine for a period of time. They are easy to swap back and forth. I have done this with mine numerous times.

    As to made in this country, hmmm, that is a matter of interests. I have numerous Singer machines made in different parts of the world, Great Britain and Taiwan, just happened that way. I wasn't on a hunt to find x machine made in x country.

    Her machine came in a very nice box with lid. The cost and time just to make that is worth that extra $40.
    Her HC is so much nicer than mine. Her HC is worth some money and the spoked wheel. As I stated, I don't know the ebay rates for these items today.

    She could also look at the machine as the odd duckling. It has a tattoo that is a wee bit loud with some coloring- goes with the fashions of today.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vintagemotif View Post
    Nancy, I looked all over the machine for a marking stating made in Taiwan, but I don't see one. This is a photo of the underside for you. All metal with Singer stamped parts. You can see the serial # ND976655 stamped into the machine. I looked that number up back in 2010; back then, the Singer's list stated that it was made in Taichung Taiwan.

    Nancy, you state that she has a HC to this machine. I see a portion of it in the picture. That HC is much better than the HC I have to my machine. Is the HC handle wood or plastic? Another plus to that machine is that it came with a nice HC. How much are Singer HC going for these days on Ebay? She could always swap the wheel and HC onto another machine for use. I know you don't like to do that since you like to keep all original parts on each machine. But let us just look at it as an big IF she wants a spoked wheel and HC on a different machine for a period of time. They are easy to swap back and forth. I have done this with mine numerous times.

    As to made in this country, hmmm, that is a matter of interests. I have numerous Singer machines made in different parts of the world, Great Britain and Taiwan, just happened that way. I wasn't on a hunt to find x machine made in x country.

    Her machine came in a very nice box with lid. The cost and time just to make that is worth that extra $40.
    Her HC is so much nicer than mine. Her HC is worth some money and the spoked wheel. As I stated, I don't know the ebay rates for these items today.

    She could also look at the machine as the odd duckling. It has a tattoo that is a wee bit loud with some coloring- goes with the fashions of today.
    You know Monica, I agree Debbie's machine is an odd duckling. I would have probably bought it too, just to have one duplicate, odd machine to show off! I would rather have the HC than a treadle. I don't have room in my house for a reproduction type treadle. I'd rather have the real deal, but the HC is really pretty and interesting! I would imagine those machines are not very common in this country too - more desire to own one just for the heck of it!

    As to it being made in Taiwan, or India, or China, or some other country - I don't think that is as important to Debbie as the fact that she thought she bought an antique Singer! I too have several machines made in Germany, Switzerland, Great Britain, Japan, and probably Taiwan, but my friend is just getting into vintage machines, and she really wanted an original with really nice decals! There is a big difference between getting the original real deal and a copy of the original! Like I said, I'd buy one of those if I saw one at a yard sale, etc., just to own one - but, not the treadle! I will save my cabinet space for the original models!

    Oh switching out the HW and HC is a good idea, but Debbie is not into vintage yet so she would have nothing to switch them on to. I don't know if the knob on the HC is plastic or not. Anyway, I may talk her out of that machine. She is really disappointed in it, and I wouldn't mind owning one!

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    Jljack - that cabinet front looks really pretty. Is the coffin top as nicely detailed? Lucky you for finding that!

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    You don't want to know how many ways to spell or pronounce Miriam - but when I call you on the phone you will know it is I.
    Hehehe, Miriam you have a beautiful name - my last name is Smith and even though it's the easiest name on the PLANET it's still often spelled wrong or pronounced wrong...I can only imagine the difficulty people must have with Miriam! Lol*

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    Ok Cathy as much as I love you and your knowledge I have to differ with the 'reproduction' or 'nostalgic' terms. I couldn't sleep last night and thought about the two terms. The 'nostalgic' does have a certain romantic notion, but to me does not describe those machines so I looked up the meaning of both terms.

    Reproduce, reproduction, means the process of making a copy of something . . . . made by reproducing an original, copy, duplicate . . . etc.

    Nostalgic mean a sentimental or wishful yearning for the happiness felt in a former time, place, or situation . . . a sentimental longing for the past, typically for a period or place with happy personal associations.

    I know all of us could probably use either term to describe those machines that are copies of the original Singers, but to me they will always be a reproduced copy. I can't think of them as nostalgic, even though that term does sound much nicer!

    Cathy you are just such a sweet person, you want the nice term used, but is it really the correct term?

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    What I am curious about, is what were they reproduced for? Are they reproduced for the purpose of nostalgia or were they reproduced for the purpose of duping newbie collectors?

    I too would probably not pass up the opportunity to own one for a reasonable price out of fascination and curiosity.

    Also - I wonder if the antique dealer who sold it to this woman for the extra $40 knew that it was a reproduction??

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    Valerie, the first time I saw one of the reproduced machines I was dumbfounded! I didn't know they existed either! I knew there are treadles still being produced for the Amish and countries with little or no electricity. The 'new' treadles I had seen produced for the Amish, for example, looked like a modern machine that does decorative stitches, etc., - they were just in a treadle. I didn't know about those machines being produced to duplicate original Singers. The first one I actually saw in person was at my Sewing Repair guy's shop. It looked like an original, but different. It didn't look as well made, it looked smaller - maybe because the treadle was small - it looked gaudy, it looked beat up already, and it was having lots of problems - hence in the repair shop. But, seeing it amazed me to no end! I had no idea it was a reproduction until Billy came up one day with the notion he was going to import and sell those machines here. I think, he found there were not too many people here in the US interested in buying an American icon being reproduced in Taiwan or somewhere else so he dropped the idea. Here in the Vintage shop, we all want the real deal even though I think I would have bought that repro HC that my friend bought just to have one to show off and explain to people what it was!

    Nancy
    Ahhh, I didn't know they reproduced the treadles either! Well sheesh, now I'm really interested. We live in a heavily Amish populated area and I had heard that they buy up treadles at the local auctions but had no idea that they still made them to this day for that purpose. Now see, where would I be without this thread??? Lol*
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    Quote Originally Posted by pumpkinpatchquilter View Post

    What I am curious about, is what were they reproduced for? Are they reproduced for the purpose of nostalgia or were they reproduced for the purpose of duping newbie collectors?

    I too would probably not pass up the opportunity to own one for a reasonable price out of fascination and curiosity.

    Also - I wonder if the antique dealer who sold it to this woman for the extra $40 knew that it was a reproduction?? Lol*
    Valerie, I doubt very much they are being reproduced to dupe newbie collectors. They are probably being reproduced just as a gimmick to sell something different! Nostalgia may play a roll, although, the people reproducing those machines in Taiwan, or India, or China, probably don't have any nostalgic connections to the machines. There is still a real need for HC's and treadles all over the world. Singer is just trying to hone in on that market - in my opinion! I bet there are people who buy them just because they do remind them of something old and dear! I honestly think they are cute and Singer has probably duped lots of people who think they have an antique in great shape. As far as the antique dealer, who knows if he knew what he sold Debbie? He may not have known. I don't think there is a lot of information out there about those reproduced machines - at least not in my neck of the woods? Lots of people don't know about them. I think things go in full circle. It is quite common for something old to come back. The problem is, the workmanship is no where near that of the original machines. I highly doubt those reproduction models will last 100 + years! I think the production of the repros is pretty smart on Singer's behalf. I mean if you want a machine that only straight stitches, is only around $100 brand new - and something to show off - why not buy something pretty and different than the plastic wonders!

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    I would love to get this table and put it in my sewing room with a cutting mat on it. Wouldn't that be cute? I just wish it had been made with the original treadle legs not the straight (later years) treadle legs! It worries me that he says one of the legs had been repaired too!

    http://sacramento.craigslist.org/atq/3341947715.html

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