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    Quote Originally Posted by JCquilts
    OK here's the little black Singer from the auction.
    Im thinking that little hole is where the cord for the foot pedal goes. I havent opened up that little black lid to see. It is screwed down.
    JC, that little hole is for the kneebar, no foot pedal for this beauty!! :)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Charlee
    Quote Originally Posted by JCquilts
    OK here's the little black Singer from the auction.
    Im thinking that little hole is where the cord for the foot pedal goes. I havent opened up that little black lid to see. It is screwed down.
    JC, that little hole is for the kneebar, no foot pedal for this beauty!! :)
    OK the knee bar came with it, but I didnt think it fit in that little hole. Ill have to try again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JCquilts
    And this one Im not sure about. I think it came from Sears & Roebuck. I thought the S on the legs was for Singer when I bought it, but now I think it is an S and R. There is a little lion at the top of the round cartouche. The machine has a lion on the decals and the whole thing is designed in an Egyption style. See the little oil stand underneath on the stand.. And what is the little whole on the top for?
    The hole is for a pincushion! I am going to have to research the machine to see who might have made it. There were alot of spin off companies with the Singer name because of the branding of the machines. But you have to remember this was probably built during the "Sewing Machine Wars" and more than likely helped set some patent laws in effect.

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    Hi Julroc. Hopefully this post won't show up twice. I wrote one post and as I was editing it, the dog came along and hit my hand and the post disappeared.
    You had asked about identifying your singer model on your new (to you) machine. I don't know if anyone has posted this page yet, but in case they haven't, this web page helps a person to figure out what model they have.
    http://www.sandman-collectibles.com/...r-machines.htm

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lostn51
    Quote Originally Posted by JCquilts
    And this one Im not sure about. I think it came from Sears & Roebuck. I thought the S on the legs was for Singer when I bought it, but now I think it is an S and R. There is a little lion at the top of the round cartouche. The machine has a lion on the decals and the whole thing is designed in an Egyption style. See the little oil stand underneath on the stand.. And what is the little whole on the top for?
    The hole is for a pincushion! I am going to have to research the machine to see who might have made it. There were alot of spin off companies with the Singer name because of the branding of the machines. But you have to remember this was probably built during the "Sewing Machine Wars" and more than likely helped set some patent laws in effect.

    Billy
    Well, I guess that put an end to the fabric wrapped around the top of the machine then, hey?

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    JC... :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock:

    I love your machines. Thank you for sharing. I save all photos of machines and your beautiful machines have added real beauty to my collection. WoW!

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    Quote Originally Posted by SewExtreme
    JC... :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock:

    I love your machines. Thank you for sharing. I save all photos of machines and your beautiful machines have added real beauty to my collection. WoW!
    Well, thanks for looking and appreciating my little darlings. I hope to get them all working eventually.. with Billy's help I hope..I hope he sticks around long enough for me to get them all going..

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    Quote Originally Posted by JCquilts
    And here is my oldest Wheeler & Wilson.. This is the one Im afraid to work on.. not sure where the thread goes, how to thread it or anything..
    You really need to join the NeedleBar and get this machine out there for them to look at!!! Miller is the guy in the know about the W&W's and would love to see this machine!! I am thinking its going to be a significant machine and the condition is just wonderful!!

    In fact all of your machines are beautiful and I have always loved the colors that Free used on their machines decals!!

    But please go here and register and wait for the confirmation and post about the machine in the Early machines section.

    http://needlebar.org/main/index.html

    Billy

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    Quote Originally Posted by JCquilts
    Quote Originally Posted by SewExtreme
    JC... :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock:

    I love your machines. Thank you for sharing. I save all photos of machines and your beautiful machines have added real beauty to my collection. WoW!
    Well, thanks for looking and appreciating my little darlings. I hope to get them all working eventually.. with Billy's help I hope..I hope he sticks around long enough for me to get them all going..
    I am not going anywhere thats for sure, business is really booming here!!!

    Billy

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lostn51
    Quote Originally Posted by JCquilts
    And here is my oldest Wheeler & Wilson.. This is the one Im afraid to work on.. not sure where the thread goes, how to thread it or anything..
    You really need to join the NeedleBar and get this machine out there for them to look at!!! Miller is the guy in the know about the W&W's and would love to see this machine!! I am thinking its going to be a significant machine and the condition is just wonderful!!

    In fact all of your machines are beautiful and I have always loved the colors that Free used on their machines decals!!

    But please go here and register and wait for the confirmation and post about the machine in the Early machines section.

    http://needlebar.org/main/index.html

    Billy
    Billy, there is already a restored one on needlebar. I posted to the guy who did it to see if he would help me with the threading and such, but never received an answer so I gave up. I still have my logon over there I think.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JCquilts
    Billy, there is already a restored one on needlebar. I posted to the guy who did it to see if he would help me with the threading and such, but never received an answer so I gave up. I still have my logon over there I think.
    I would go on again and PM Miller and ask him about the machine and how to thread it and so forth. He is super passionate about the W&W's and has several of them, even an Antebellum machine!!! I dont know if he was the one you tried to get a hold of but for a while there he and his wife were swapping places in the hospital quite regular. He is a wonderful guy and I love him like my own family and it doesnt sound like him to ignore anything about a W&W or someone showing an interest in one.

    Billy

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    OK Billy, sorry to be a bother, but I havent had anyone to share and talk old sewing machines with in such a long time..

    I really want to know about the little black one I bought at the auction today with the weird serial number...

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    I also have an old Singer that was used in a factory. So it is in a Singer factory table with a huge moter mounted on the frame, not the machine. I would really like to convert this to a domestic sized motor so I can use it. The big industrial motor is also a Singer. I went to an auction where they were closing a childrens clothing factory and could only buy one of the machines. So this one was my choice. The reason was that the table, machine and motor were all made by Singer AND it had a binding foot attached. I had never seen one of those.. I have the small binding foot for the domestic machines, but this one is much meatier. So, what do you think? Can I convert it? And if so, what should I do with that BIG motor? Is there any market for it?

    Poke, poke, poke, bother, bother, bother, I know I used to do that to my brother all the time when we were kids.. Thanks in advance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lostn51
    Quote Originally Posted by JCquilts
    Billy, there is already a restored one on needlebar. I posted to the guy who did it to see if he would help me with the threading and such, but never received an answer so I gave up. I still have my logon over there I think.
    I would go on again and PM Miller and ask him about the machine and how to thread it and so forth. He is super passionate about the W&W's and has several of them, even an Antebellum machine!!! I dont know if he was the one you tried to get a hold of but for a while there he and his wife were swapping places in the hospital quite regular. He is a wonderful guy and I love him like my own family and it doesnt sound like him to ignore anything about a W&W or someone showing an interest in one.

    Billy
    OK, Ill heed your advice and try again...thanks

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    This is a great subject and I love the answers and the help you are giving everyone. I have several old Singers. (Handcrank 127; (2) 301s; a treadle 15-; electric 66; (2) featherweights; 401; 403; 404 plus I'm looking for a 99 (or Spartan) to make into a handcrank. I'm sure I will learn a lot from reading your Vintage Sewing Machine Shop thread.


    You wrote: "Personally I never give over $50 for a machine (with the exception of my Singer 12 MOP) but thats just me."

    ..thank you for saying that. I think that Singer sewing machines are beautiful and sturdy but it seems that uninformed people have inflated the prices to unreal prices. I can understand paying more when you have a machine that is in outstanding cosmetic shape and is in great mechanical shape, but I see people trying to sell machines that are all scratched up and in so-so mechanical condition for over $200. Unfortunately some people are being taken because they think since this is an antique, it must be worth the price. One person claimed on craigslist that "all" singer sewing machines are going for high prices so they expected to get high prices.
    A high price depends on many variable including what machine it is and the condition it is in.

    I have to admit that I have paid more than $50 for some of my machines, but I always had a good reason for it and I knew what it was worth. I believe I paid $120 for my 401. Everything else was under $100 and several of them under $50. I got one 301 at a garage sale for $5.

    It is important for buyers to realize that not all of the Singer sewing machines are worth the same price of a featherweight in great condition or a treadle that looks brand new.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kapatt
    This is a great subject and I love the answers and the help you are giving everyone. I have several old Singers. (Handcrank 127; (2) 301s; a treadle 15-; electric 66; (2) featherweights; 401; 403; 404 plus I'm looking for a 99 (or Spartan) to make into a handcrank. I'm sure I will learn a lot from reading your Vintage Sewing Machine Shop thread.


    You wrote: "Personally I never give over $50 for a machine (with the exception of my Singer 12 MOP) but thats just me."

    ..thank you for saying that. I think that Singer sewing machines are beautiful and sturdy but it seems that uninformed people have inflated the prices to unreal prices. I can understand paying more when you have a machine that is in outstanding cosmetic shape and is in great mechanical shape, but I see people trying to sell machines that are all scratched up and in so-so mechanical condition for over $200. Unfortunately some people are being taken because they think since this is an antique, it must be worth the price. One person claimed on craigslist that "all" singer sewing machines are going for high prices so they expected to get high prices.
    A high price depends on many variable including what machine it is and the condition it is in.

    I have to admit that I have paid more than $50 for some of my machines, but I always had a good reason for it and I knew what it was worth. I believe I paid $120 for my 401. Everything else was under $100 and several of them under $50. I got one 301 at a garage sale for $5.

    It is important for buyers to realize that not all of the Singer sewing machines are worth the same price of a featherweight in great condition or a treadle that looks brand new.
    Right on,,,, Most machines I find on craigslist are high priced and really in bad shape....Garage sales, auctions and thrift shops are better places to find great machines and decent prices..

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    Hi Charlee.
    You wrote: "I opened it, and there was a Singer 201, Centenial! No power cord. Hmmmmm....marked at $35....bigger hmmmmmm.... Asked if they would take $15, because of no cord (thinking that if I can get parts for a FW, I'm betting I can get a power cord for this one!)"

    That is a fantastic deal. Congratulations! I've read that the 201 is one of the best sewing machines that Singer made. I have never had one (or seen one) but I would love to find one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kapatt
    Hi Charlee.
    You wrote: "I opened it, and there was a Singer 201, Centenial! No power cord. Hmmmmm....marked at $35....bigger hmmmmmm.... Asked if they would take $15, because of no cord (thinking that if I can get parts for a FW, I'm betting I can get a power cord for this one!)"

    That is a fantastic deal. Congratulations! I've read that the 201 is one of the best sewing machines that Singer made. I have never had one (or seen one) but I would love to find one.
    I have two of the 201 machines and I LOVE them to sew on. They run so quiet, make a nice straight stitch and I love the drop in bobbin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JCquilts
    OK as promised here is the first of my oddball machines.
    It is called Arlington. Arlington is also in the metal Treadle sides.
    It has decals on the top and sides of the cabinet and drawers with Eagles. The decal says "Cash Builders Union, Chicago, Ill" That is also stamped on the metal drawer pulls. Im not sure who made the machine or the date. No manual.
    Okay JC I had to bring this machine back to the top again because I found out better information about it. There is a couple of these machines buried in this thread somewhere but I bumped into the information on the NB about it.

    I believe it is a badged machine by the Standard Sewing Machine Company. "Cash Buyers Union" Arlington machines were badged by three companies, Standard, Free, and National. This one has the National type of tension, Standards type of Stitch length regulator. I can not figure anything out about this ones manufacturer for certain but I will say Standard until I am proved wrong.

    Also the Standard that is on the NB has the exact decals on the woodwork as yours does.

    Billy

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lostn51
    Quote Originally Posted by JCquilts
    OK as promised here is the first of my oddball machines.
    It is called Arlington. Arlington is also in the metal Treadle sides.
    It has decals on the top and sides of the cabinet and drawers with Eagles. The decal says "Cash Builders Union, Chicago, Ill" That is also stamped on the metal drawer pulls. Im not sure who made the machine or the date. No manual.
    Okay JC I had to bring this machine back to the top again because I found out better information about it. There is a couple of these machines buried in this thread somewhere but I bumped into the information on the NB about it.

    I believe it is a badged machine by the Standard Sewing Machine Company. "Cash Buyers Union" Arlington machines were badged by three companies, Standard, Free, and National. This one has the National type of tension, Standards type of Stitch length regulator. I can not figure anything out about this ones manufacturer for certain but I will say Standard until I am proved wrong.

    Also the Standard that is on the NB has the exact decals on the woodwork as yours does.

    Billy
    Would it help to look closer at the underside of back of the machine? How about the book that says Model C Blank? I

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    Hi Quilterguy,

    You wrote:"I've been scouring CL for a good deal on a Singer 221 FW. If I can't find this one as my top choice, what would you reccommend as #2, #3, etc. on the list. I kinda have my heart set on the 221 FW tho, but I don't want to spend 3 or 4 hundred dollars on one either."

    I'm about a month behind on reading the posts (it's been a busy month) but I would like to put in my 2cents. If you want the featherweight to take with you places, the 301 might work just as well. It is a little bit bigger and weighs just a few pounds more. If you are looking for something small and compact that stores well, my son said that the 99 works well for him. The 99 comes in two different types of cases. One is the wooden Bentwood case and the other one is more of a suitcase case. I gave my 99 to him a few years ago (one in the suitcase type case) and he likes it because it is compact. I'm now looking for a 99 to make into a handcrank and asked him to trade for one of my other machines. He said he would only trade for one of my featherweights because they are small and compact.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kapatt
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    You had asked about identifying your singer model on your new (to you) machine. I don't know if anyone has posted this page yet, but in case they haven't, this web page helps a person to figure out what model they have.
    http://www.sandman-collectibles.com/...r-machines.htm
    Thanks for posting this site, it is a wonderful source of info.
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    Hi Summerstorm. You asked, "Can anyone tell me the advantages and difference in the following models?

    The singer 301 and the singer 404?

    Is the 404 aluminum?"

    I have both the 301 and the 404. The 404 is heavier than the 301. I read today on the web that the 404 is more sturdy and durable than the 301. This is the website where I read the information on the 404.
    http://www.free-guitar-tablature.com/404.html

    Both machines have slant foots which make it easier to see where you are sewing. The 301 uses the same bobbin case and bobbins that the featherweight uses. The 301 is a vertical bobbin.
    The 404 uses the class 66 bobbins and has a drop in bobbin case.

    The website that I just posted talks about the 404 being heavy, but it isn't too heavy for me to carry. (I'm not that strong.) If I had to carry it a long distance (like to a quilting class) I would put it on a luggage carrier. It isn't that difficult for me to carry from one room to another room.

    I like both the 301 and the 404. I essentially got the 404 because it was in a cabinet that I wanted. I planned on donating the machine to someone after I took it out of the cabinet but I thought of a use that I could use it for, so I decided to keep it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JCquilts
    Would it help to look closer at the underside of back of the machine? How about the book that says Model C Blank? I
    Post some photos of the underside of the machine that might be useful!!

    Billy

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    JC wrote: "I have two of the 201 machines and I LOVE them to sew on."

    That sounds great. If you don't mind, I have a couple of questions to ask you.
    Does the 201 take a regular needle that you can buy at the store, or do you have to special order them?

    What class of bobbins do they use?

    I would like to have a small machine to turn into a handcrank and I have been trying to decide between a 99 and a 201. With the 99, I can use the class 66 bobbins and a regular needle. Since I already have other machines that use the 66, I can see how that would be a plus for me but I've heard great things about the 201 and it would be nice to have it.

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